Players that don't want a vaccine (Mod Warning post#30)

[tarheelhockey]

What kinds of crap do you think they are "pumping" into themselves? Because whenever I hear about anything health/diet related regarding players, most of them are very particular about what they put into their body.

Makes sense that a young, professional athlete in peak physical condition has confidence in his own immune system to fight off a virus with a 99.6% survival rate.

Let’s start with the fact that dietary supplements are almost unregulated, meaning they’re largely untested for long term effects.

How many NHL players currently have addictions to painkillers?

Sleeping pills? Like candy on the charter planes. Think these guys sit around reading research on long term impacts of abusing sleep supplements?

At this point we can’t put a precise number on the long term risks associated with the vaccine, but it’s already evident that those risks are much lower than the ones posed by exposure to COVID-19, and both of those categories are lower than the risks posed by what NHL players routinely do to their bodies in their daily lives.

Being suspicious of a mainstream FDA-regulated vaccine but OK with all the other risks they take is just wildly inconsistent logic. And when people are using wildly inconsistent logic, that usually points back to unreliable information influencing them.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

This is about freedom of choise, it's as simple as that. If a player doesn't want to get vaccinated, nobody should be able to foce them to take it. And plenty of players already had Covid. My boy Matthews had it and he won the Rocket in a record breaking fashon.

That choice endangers people who cannot get a vaccine for legitimate medical reasons. As such, the choice comes with consequences. It will be up to the team to decide who should bear the brunt of those consequences.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

I can understand why some don't want a brand new vaccine that they believe has been rushed through trials and rushed through the approval process. I personally have gotten vaccinated as I don't feel the same way.

But if this turns into people not being allowed to attend to being forced to sit in "socially distanced" sections, which is already happening some places; there are going to be major lawsuits coming down the pipeline. You know some one will try and make a quick buck off being "segregated due to their beliefs"

It's not "rushed." Coronaviruses aren't new. The dissemination of this information is where the f*** ups are happening. Government and media are the clowns blowing this whole pandemic.

 

[supsens]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept that a professional athlete who travels almost nonstop year-round, and pumps his body with all kinds of crap for a million different reasons, would seriously consider going unvaccinated.

This falls squarely into "play stupid games" territory.

Or they play with and spoke to a bunch of people that had Covid and understand it’s just a cold to a young healthy person

 

[tarheelhockey]

Or they play with and spoke to a bunch of people that had Covid and understand it’s just a cold to a young healthy person

OK, but why would they actively put themselves in a position to get sick during the season?

Even if you for whatever reason don't take it any more seriously than a flu, it would be absolutely baffling to find out significant numbers of NHL'ers turn down the flu shot. What a stupid and avoidable way to **** up your season.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Because many don't trust it if that's right or wrong and the NHLPA will defend the freedom of choice for all its players

I don't care if you don't trust it. as an NHL player you don't have the training or background to question it. Not that they don't have the right to question it, but most don't even have the ability to formulate the questions needed to actually question it properly. Just like the majority of the rest of the people.

 

[Asinine]

Let’s start with the fact that dietary supplements are almost unregulated, meaning they’re largely untested for long term effects.

How many NHL players currently have addictions to painkillers?

Sleeping pills? Like candy on the charter planes. Think these guys sit around reading research on long term impacts of abusing sleep supplements?

At this point we can’t put a precise number on the long term risks associated with the vaccine, but it’s already evident that those risks are much lower than the ones posed by exposure to COVID-19, and both of those categories are lower than the risks posed by what NHL players routinely do to their bodies in their daily lives.

Being suspicious of a mainstream FDA-regulated vaccine but OK with all the other risks they take is just wildly inconsistent logic. And when people are using wildly inconsistent logic, that usually points back to unreliable information influencing them.

Inconsistent logic like assuming all of said players are the ones refusing the vaccine.

You can point to olympic athletes writing up their own will, I can point to 70 year olds that were asymptomatic.

Maybe the problem for some people isn't the vaccine itself but the blatant bias and fear mongering the media has shown over the last couple years. It makes people suspicious.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

But you can't force anyone to take it

No, but the player can't force the team to play him if he doesn't get the vaccine either.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Or they play with and spoke to a bunch of people that had Covid and understand it’s just a cold to a young healthy person

There are examples of actual NHLers who had worse than a cold. Long term side effects are real.

 

[supsens]

There are examples of actual NHLers who had worse than a cold. Long term side effects are real.

And there are dead people from the vaccine

 

[gstommylee]

The NHL can't make the players get the vaccine but government could like through flying or crossing the border with the only exemption if the person has a legitimate medical issue where they can't get vaccine shots.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Maybe the problem for some people isn't the vaccine itself but the blatant bias and fear mongering the media has shown over the last couple years. It makes people suspicious.

OK, so turn off the TV, log off Facebook, drive yourself to a doctor and let them do their job.

NHL players have medical staff waiting on them hand and foot, with second opinions easily available. Do you think any medical professional working with NHL players would advise them not to get vaccinated going into a season of travel?

 

[ManofSteel55]

And there are dead people from the vaccine

There are far more dead people from the virus. The ones who think the vaccine is worse for you than the virus are a big problem.

 

[Cas]

In the United States, employers are permitted to require that their employees receive vaccinations. I don't know what Canada's laws say on this subject, but certainly the American teams have the right to tell their players to get the shot or stay home (quite possibly without pay).

The odds are that they won't because NHL players are much less fungible than your typical employee, but that could be an issue for a prospect trying to make the team or a marginal player just hoping to stay on the roster.

Legally, however, the U.S. teams in particular would be within their rights to say "no shot, no ice."

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

And there are dead people from the vaccine

In the US, no. Has this changed in the last two months?

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

Between December 2020 and April 5th, 2021, VAERS received 2,794 reports of death (0.00167%) among people who got a vaccine. After careful review, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that these vaccines contributed to the patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

So many people who look at Facebook seem to think they know better than medical professionals across the world. Athletes aren't immune to thinking they are much smarter than they are. Social media has made people so confidently stupid.

 

[lottster14]

Let’s blacklist them!

LOOL trust me that's what many people would love to do. Find out who won't take one and try to shame them out of the NHL and probably to death. Morally strong!

 

[supsens]

In the US, no. Has this changed in the last two months?

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

You can’t force people to shoot up with something that might kill them.
It’s not ok because “it’s only a couple thousand”

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

You can’t force people to shoot up with something that might kill them.
It’s not ok because “it’s only a couple thousand”

What? That was a review of 2794 people who got the vaccine and then subsequently died. In not a single case were researches able find evidence linking their deaths to the vaccine.

 

[93gilmour93]

How would it work if a player said no vaccine and the team says OK you can't play. You can't void a contract and would have to pay them. You can't put them on LTIR because there's no injury. No place in these contracts does it say get a shot or we don't play you.

Imagine a player like McDavid for an example counting 12.5 on the cap and being told he can't play. NHLPA and the NHL would have quite a problem on their hands

 

[DrewGl]

Well this is why it gets tricky..."my body, my choice"...the NHL as a private league I suppose can impose their own rules but here we go with the politics of it all.

 

[Garthinater]

What do you care if they get the vaccine or not? If you're vaccinated it shouldn't make any difference to you.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for some.

Logic and common sense are hard to find these days.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You can’t force people to shoot up with something that might kill them.
It’s not ok because “it’s only a couple thousand”

What? That was a review of 2794 people who got the vaccine and then subsequently died. In not a single case were researches able find evidence linking their deaths to the vaccine.

This is the entire issue in a nutshell.

Below is the quote that @MikeGsVengeance provided. I bolded the maximum possible amount that @supsens could have read before starting to write a rebuttal.

VAERS received 2,794 reports of death (0.00167%) among people who got a vaccine. After careful review, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that these vaccines contributed to the patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.
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There is PLENTY of data confirming the safety and efficacy of the vaccine compared to running around unvaccinated. And there are a ton of people out there who will actively refuse to read (let alone understand or believe) that data if it contradicts their foregone conclusions.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You can’t force people to shoot up with something that might kill them.
It’s not ok because “it’s only a couple thousand”

Shooting up? Come on man.

 

[93gilmour93]

I don't care if you don't trust it. as an NHL player you don't have the training or background to question it. Not that they don't have the right to question it, but most don't even have the ability to formulate the questions needed to actually question it properly. Just like the majority of the rest of the people.

You don't need training or background to question what the future holds if you take it because we don't have that data to say one way or another