Players that don't want a vaccine (Mod Warning post#30)

[93gilmour93]

There’s 3 different types of vaccines. 2 aren’t anything new.

Today on 580 news in Ottawa the doctor who comes on the radio everyday to give updates said they have now started to find new cases of heart inflammation in males 16-24 who had both doses of moderna and Phizer. Didn't know that a week ago and some young players may not want to risk it.

 

[Jacob]

Today on 580 news in Ottawa the doctor who comes on the radio everyday to give updates said they have now started to find new cases of heart inflammation in males 16-24 who had both doses of moderna and Phizer. Didn't know that a week ago and some young players may not want to risk it.

Those are both the same kind of vaccine. Covid causes heart inflammation in healthy individuals too.

 

[Confused Turnip]

I can understand why some don't want a brand new vaccine that they believe has been rushed through trials and rushed through the approval process. I personally have gotten vaccinated as I don't feel the same way.

I feel this, I was eligible to get my dose some 4 months before I finally got it while I waited on some of the population studies to come out. At this point there's no excuse though, we've observed many large populations, even the one in many million type side effects are well understood.

 

[Treb]

This has unsurprisingly turned into a vaccine thread. The Covid forum has a vaccine thread. Go there to talk abut vaccination.

 

[Treb]

Re-opened. Keep it on topic about NHL player vaccination. Vaccine safety/efficacy talk goes on the Covid board.

 

[Mulletman]

This is about freedom of choise, it's as simple as that. If a player doesn't want to get vaccinated, nobody should be able to foce them to take it. And plenty of players already had Covid. My boy Matthews had it and he won the Rocket in a record breaking fashon.

 

[Foppberg]

People are stupid and scared of things they don't understand.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

This is about freedom of choise, it's as simple as that. If a player doesn't want to get vaccinated, nobody should be able to foce them to take it. And plenty of players already had Covid. My boy Matthews had it and he won the Rocket in a record breaking fashon.

People are free to make choices and businesses/countries are free to limit people based upon said choices.

 

[LMFAO]

Fans are already being allowed into buildings without vaccination proof, and that's not going to change, so not sure what the issue is.

don’t bet your house on that

 

[Confused Turnip]

Not to mention that Trudeau is saying people with two doses will be able to travel and not quarantine for 14 days after passing a covid testbut if a player on a Canadian team doesn't have it we can't have two sets of rules for players and fans. This has a shit show writen all over it

This. US and EU are already negotiating "COVID vaccinated" passports, and Canada is going to join those talks soon. These players simply won't be able to travel across the border and play with their club if they don't get the shot.

For US players it means either they're stuck quarantining two weeks in Canada (missing the game and probably the next 5) or just have to sit home and miss any games in Canada. For Canadian players, where most of their road games are going to be in the US, it's the same situation but even worse.

 

[TeamRenzo]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept that a professional athlete who travels almost nonstop year-round, and pumps his body with all kinds of crap for a million different reasons, would seriously consider going unvaccinated.

This falls squarely into "play stupid games" territory.

They travel on charter flights no the same as hanging out in a random airport terminal or on a place with a few hundred strangers.

Also, from a risk perspective pro athletes age group are really low risk of having any significant impact from CV-19. I don't blame them at all.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

I think with the availability of numerous kinds of vaccines- even now the “traditional” viral vector type if you’re afraid of mRNA technology- there’s no excuse for players to not get vaccinated and they shouldn’t be allowed to play if they refuse.

If McDavid doesn't get it, should he retire then?

 

[Avaholic29]

Freedom of choice. Anyone who disagrees with the right to do what you please in this case needs to mind their own business. Imagine thinking you can tell other grown adults how to make life decisions based on your own fear lmao, get real.

 

[tarheelhockey]

They travel on charter flights no the same as hanging out in a random airport terminal or on a place with a few hundred strangers.

I didn’t say anything about flights.

NHL players are constantly around a few hundred strangers. They spend half their time in hotels and restaurants, at public appearances, and playing in front of 18000 people. It’s a rare day when they are around only as many strangers as an ordinary person.

And that doesn’t even get into situations like call-ups and international tournaments, where they most certainly are not using charter flights.

 

[Sniper99]

I can understand why some don't want a brand new vaccine that they believe has been rushed through trials and rushed through the approval process. I personally have gotten vaccinated as I don't feel the same way.

But if this turns into people not being allowed to attend to being forced to sit in "socially distanced" sections, which is already happening some places; there are going to be major lawsuits coming down the pipeline. You know some one will try and make a quick buck off being "segregated due to their beliefs"

and the judge will gladly throw it away

 

[Statto]

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[Spazkat]

Freedom of choice. Anyone who disagrees with the right to do what you please in this case needs to mind their own business. Imagine thinking you can tell other grown adults how to make life decisions based on your own fear lmao, get real.

I'm not sure how the fan situation will play out, but there's a big difference between requiring vaccines for fans and doing so for players. Saying someone can't work unless they get a vaccine is a much bigger can of worms than saying someone can't attend an entertainment event.

Vaccinations are required for all sorts of things already- school, travel, etc. Acting like requiring this one for some things would be some huge over-reach seems really bizarre

At any rate, we'll probably find out soon what employers are allowed to require in terms of vaccination. This hospital looks like the test case

178 staffers at Houston Methodist hospital suspended for not complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandate

 

[xxsciroccoxx]

Players that don't want a vaccine can stayhome if they are afraid. Thats how it works right? I seem to recall that being parroted by the other side throughout all this.

''The other side'', you mean the side that's not gullible sheep?

 

[Regal]

Vaccinations are required for all sorts of things already- school, travel, etc. Acting like requiring this one for some things would be some huge over-reach seems really bizarre

At any rate, we'll probably find out soon what employers are allowed to require in terms of vaccination. This hospital looks like the test case

178 staffers at Houston Methodist hospital suspended for not complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandate

I'm not suggesting it's a huge overreach, it's just fan and player situations are not the same, like the OP was suggesting.

 

[Asinine]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept that a professional athlete who travels almost nonstop year-round, and pumps his body with all kinds of crap for a million different reasons, would seriously consider going unvaccinated.

This falls squarely into "play stupid games" territory.

What kinds of crap do you think they are "pumping" into themselves? Because whenever I hear about anything health/diet related regarding players, most of them are very particular about what they put into their body. They aren't even allowed to take allergy medicine.

Makes sense that a young, professional athlete in peak physical condition has confidence in his own immune system to fight off a virus with a 99.6% survival rate.

 

[Rafafouille]

Not to mention that Trudeau is saying people with two doses will be able to travel and not quarantine for 14 days after passing a covid testbut if a player on a Canadian team doesn't have it we can't have two sets of rules for players and fans. This has a shit show writen all over it

There's a difference between travel and business travel. I've crossed the border close to a 100 times over the pandemic period(Truck driver). Border agents still don't give a crap about whether I'm vaccinated or not. NHL players fall in the same category. They're crossing for business purposes. Now, if they try to cross the border for a holiday and they're allowed without quarantine, it's unacceptable but that's not the case here. It's the exact same as thousands of people crossing the border every single day right now. "Essential travel" is a vast term.

 

[Confused Turnip]

Vaccinations are required for all sorts of things already- school, travel, etc. Acting like requiring this one for some things would be some huge over-reach seems really bizarre

At any rate, we'll probably find out soon what employers are allowed to require in terms of vaccination. This hospital looks like the test case

178 staffers at Houston Methodist hospital suspended for not complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandate

Interesting. This is definitely the case that the NHL needs to watch (at least in the states), thanks for sharing.

"Violation of the Nuremberg Code" lol

You know you're being taken for a ride when your lawyer cites an international document which your country hasn't ratified as law as the basis for your challenge. Doubly so when your country does have a law for the same purpose as that document on the books domestically. Sounds good in a public speech though.

IANAL and I'm curious to hear the opinions of lawyers in the room about whether they think a judge kills this head on or avoids the issue and just kills it over some procedural shit? Does the argument that because some trials were cut short it's "different" tend to hold water legally? Does a win here just mean they have to wait a few extra months until full FDA approval and then fire these guys? Surely there's little to gain here for the plaintiff, right?

 

[Avaholic29]

Vaccinations are required for all sorts of things already- school, travel, etc. Acting like requiring this one for some things would be some huge over-reach seems really bizarre

At any rate, we'll probably find out soon what employers are allowed to require in terms of vaccination. This hospital looks like the test case

178 staffers at Houston Methodist hospital suspended for not complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandate

i have never once in my life been asked if I have a flu vaccine to enter any place or to travel between Canada and the states. My medical records are mine and don’t need to revealed, freedom is beautiful and freedom to watch hockey no matter what is too.

 

[BrettHullsToe]

Why is everyone just taking this statement at face value? What is "a lot"? Is it 10 total across the entire league? That might be "a lot" to someone.

Towards the end of the regular season, weren't most US teams saying they were fully vaccinated, both players and staff? Where are these "a lot" of players coming from?

Until I see some real numbers, this sounds like clickbait nonsense to drum up subscriptions.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

i have never once in my life been asked if I have a flu vaccine to enter any place or to travel between Canada and the states. My medical records are mine and don’t need to revealed, freedom is beautiful and freedom to watch hockey no matter what is too.

That makes sense because the flu has never caused a pandemic in your lifetime has it?