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- Dec 29, 2010
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'Should have been' is pretty operative in what I said in the part that you bolded based on the summer and relative to last season, and I mentioned City and Chelsea as two exceptions. The main thing here too is that quality and on field play don't always translate into results. Like was mentioned in the previous post the actual 'expected' stats based on play have been pretty similar to last season. These can have a domino effect when the ball isn't dropping for you (manager sacking, rotation, etc.). Results aren't always an indication of strength or weakness; would people say that Spurs were the 2nd best team in Europe last season? It's important to look at the on field product, and there are often other influencing factors that dictate results especially when you're only looking at a partial picture of the season. It's entirely possible that City go on a huge run in the 2nd half of the season, Arsenal (they looked great vs. United for example), Spurs, United, etc. find form and so on. I used to watch Liverpool dominate games frequently from start to finish and end up losing because of a mistake at the back or a lack of finish, or other things that people would claim were down to 'luck'. They weren't weak at that point.What do you mean? United, City, Arsenal, and Spurs are playing worse than they were last year. United and Arsenal are in or near crisis. City lost their best defender and are significantly more vulnerable to basically everyone. Chelsea had a transfer ban and are playing youngster and have been ridiculously inconsistent. Spurs have been horrible outside of a few games. I really don't think there's any argument that any top 6 side besides Pool has improved this year.
What do you mean? United, City, Arsenal, and Spurs are playing worse than they were last year. United and Arsenal are in or near crisis. City lost their best defender and are significantly more vulnerable to basically everyone. Chelsea had a transfer ban and are playing youngster and have been ridiculously inconsistent. Spurs have been horrible outside of a few games. I really don't think there's any argument that any top 6 side besides Pool has improved this year.
Nope, there's really not. That being said I would disagree with the idea posted above yours that Liverpool is playing any worse than last season. If anything they're better. With Alisson in the team they've conceded five goals in the league and this is with a large amount of injuries to players who prevent the opposition from scoring. They are very compact defensively. They also only need 40 goals the last half of the season to equal last year's team scoring totals in all competitions.
I didn’t say that Liverpool we’re playing worse this year than last year?
How else can you really compare relative performance? Saying it's a weak league, as compared to what? They're beating teams that are in decent position in continental leagues. Comparing it with past seasons, the traditional big clubs are certainly not as good as they usually are.
I mean, for what it's worth, you could use some metrics. The xG/xGa stats are relatively similar to last season (if the argument is that this season is weaker than last). City have a higher xGa (22 this season, as opposed to 17.3) but also a 55xG and 51 the year prior. Liverpool are relatively similar (just a drop in xG from 45.7 to 42), Chelsea has more xG, but also more xGa, (40 xG versus 37.4 xG, and 24 to 18.5), United's actually way off in xGa (with 21 last year compared with 28.86 this year, and similar xG. Leicester has a massive jump of 34.5 up from 26. For comparison sake, Barca are down a bit in xG so far, but similar against. Real seeing some improved numbers, but Atletico seeing the main jump in performance so far.
But it's also only little more than halfway through the season. Two of the traditional powers whacked managers, but should see an uptick in performance (though Spurs might not).
As for whether Wolves or Leicester are worth mentioning, I think they're both better than all but two or three teams in each other European leagues. I think in a two legged match, Leicester might be a match for all but 5 or 6 clubs in Europe, over performing or not. I think some of that discussion is arguably whether or not they're clubs who in a one off, or a knockout tie can show up. Sustained excellent play is really only happening for Liverpool.
I do think the league might be objectively weaker than prior seasons, but I don't know if it's that much off the course. Especially when you consider a few of the clubs further down the table are doing a bit better, and some of the clubs who are poor right now, should see an improvement as the season goes.
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Fell free to quote or @ me next time.
playing worse than last season doesn’t mean bad or much worse. I just don’t think they’re as dominant in the matches I’ve seen.
This was basically the energy epl fans had in 2011Low-energy Liverpool would be 5th in La Liga.
Weak league.
Sad.
So we're mad about Twitter from 9 years ago?This was basically the energy epl fans had in 2011
Who’s mad?So we're mad about Twitter from 9 years ago?
Sounds about right.
At least he isn’t yelling at windProbably Pep Guardiola about something.
Klopp can't help it if the wind bothers him. Don't height discriminate.Klopp has a monopoly on that.
I would have as I’m not usually the person to do what I did, but I’ve been extremely busy to the point where I could barely have time to type that at the time. My mom just got out of the hospital after having a cancerous tumor removed and this has been a hard few days to say the least.
That sucks, I’m sorry to hear that. My dad just went through the same.
As for stats, EPL xG Table and Scorers for the 2019/2020 season | Understat.com with the same date (January 5th).
I’m on board with it being weak, but I’m not sure if it’s drastically worse. Some of the comparisons will need to be analyzed at the end of season
Fair enough. Sorry to hear about your Mom. I know what that’s like and I know it’s tough. I hope she’s recovering well.
She's doing ok, but she can't talk anymore. So that part sucks the most.