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Can anyone summarize whats in the article?
Pretty much nothing, only thing that kinda caught my eye was that it seems like they have a deal in place with Pettersson.
Can anyone summarize whats in the article?
This is all well and good, but what does it look like when it's just Malkin with Kessel, and then when the two are apart? Blame defence all you want, but turning the puck over at center ice or the opponent blue line is all on Malkin and Kessel.Want to start your morning extremely depressed? Micah McCurdy just introduced a with and without tool. Turns out Johnson literally single-handedly torpedoed Malkin and Kessel this season.
Pretty much nothing, only thing that kinda caught my eye was that it seems like they have a deal in place with Pettersson.
Pretty much nothing, only thing that kinda caught my eye was that it seems like they have a deal in place with Pettersson.
All these media types need to stop posting how bad JMFJ is....another GM might see it.
I'm also curious to see what McCurdy's charts show for Malkin and Kessel with and without Schultz. Because as much as people like to pretend that Johnson was the only problem on that pair last year, Schultz was ****ing atrocious last season.
That's something I may look into when I get more time, seeing how the Malkin-Kessel duo did with certain defenseman and D pairs. I think you can compare how much each defenseman hurt Malkin by comparing different D pairs, such as Pettersson-Johnson vs Johnson-Schultz.
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Successful 2019-20 season for Malkin depends on defense deployment
I don't often agree with Wilson, but a number of people (myself included) have spoken about what a drag JJ was on the 2nd line.
The numbers seem to bear that out with Geno. It'd be interesting to see how much JJ affected Kessel, who had the unfortunate distinction of playing the most with him.
I would be more skeptical of these charts if the eye test game after game after game didn't bear the same thing out.
It was pretty obvious, really.
Ready for more?
Nuh uh
Probably like utter dog****. I just put the numbers for Malkin-Kessel-Johnson-Schultz into NST. Johnson-Schultz's xGF% with the pairing was 34%. Of course, their actual GF% was 57.14%...
Meanwhile, Johnson-Malkin-Kessel NO Schultz had an xGF% of 51.83%, but a GF% of just 50%, with an unusually low shooting percentage and high save percentage. Johnson's rough possession numbers there are almost certainly a product of Schultz, but they were still better with him there. And while I generally insist that PDO is mainly luck, Schultz is one of the few guys who cheats it consistently enough that there's something more going on...
Anyway, Pettersson-Johnson had a 25% GF with Malkin-Kessel and a 60% xGF%.
Dumo-Letang had a 37.50 GF% and 54.64 xGF%.
Riikola-Maatta's 40 minutes of them resulted in both numbers being in the 60s (maatta without Riikola was bad).
And Pettersson-Gudbranson had a 33.33% GF and 65.26 GF%.
Very weird stuff all round. If I didn't think that Kessel's line was often better with poor possession stats before now, I'd certainly be forming the thesis...
Yep. This is spot-on. A year of JJ instead of Schultz was brutal. Really, every pair on every team has to be able to make that first pass.HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Successful 2019-20 season for Malkin depends on defense deployment
I don't often agree with Wilson, but a number of people (myself included) have spoken about what a drag JJ was on the 2nd line.
The numbers seem to bear that out with Geno. It'd be interesting to see how much JJ affected Kessel, who had the unfortunate distinction of playing the most with him.
Confirmed Ryan Wilson is KIRK.HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Successful 2019-20 season for Malkin depends on defense deployment
I don't often agree with Wilson, but a number of people (myself included) have spoken about what a drag JJ was on the 2nd line.
The numbers seem to bear that out with Geno. It'd be interesting to see how much JJ affected Kessel, who had the unfortunate distinction of playing the most with him.
So I ABSOLUTELY get wanting to work Petterson onto the second pair. He’s the team’s fourth-best defenseman. But. If you take away what worked from a $4M #6, he could regress to Van levels, and you have a worse problem than JJ.Is there ANY good way to work Petterson in on the second pairing without the extra icetime and responsibility becoming a factor? I really do think he's due for a very good year and a lot of the numbers from last year seem to back that up. I know he looked good with Gudbranson and that's swell but I'm much more concerned about getting that second pairing nailed down and I think he maybe has something to offer, there.
@Dennis Reynolds - this is just me sort of splitting hairs on a slow day but I really feel like not only is that first pass important but even moreso is just the ability to skate WITH the puck. That's one of the things Daley did so well, here. He wasn't afraid to skate it out of his own end and make a play.
It's why I wasn't so worked up over what Malkin said re: Ruh last season. He wasn't wrong. And was obviously frustrated by the utter lack of that ability in the guys regularly playing behind him.
This would be horrible for the Pens.
So I ABSOLUTELY get wanting to work Petterson onto the second pair. He’s the team’s fourth-best defenseman. But. If you take away what worked from a $4M #6, he could regress to Van levels, and you have a worse problem than JJ.
Who knows, Gudbranson could come out and be a dumpster fire no matter what since the shine of a new team has faded. Or maybe Riikola has progressed enough that he could slot in beside Gudbranson and they could be a solid bottom pairing.
But it’s all moot anyway. Johnson is a Penguin, and as of right now, we have to live with one of:
Petterson - Schultz
Johnson - Gudbranson
Or
Johnson - Schultz
Petterson - Gudbranson
And both are awful.
Any GM interested in Johnson is clearly oblivious to other people's opinions anyway, so I reckon we're safe enough.
Fastest case of foot-in-mouth by a GM in recent memory?
Want to start your morning extremely depressed? Micah McCurdy just introduced a with and without tool. Turns out Johnson literally single-handedly torpedoed Malkin and Kessel this season.
I was assured by quite the many posters here that getting rid of Kessel was additional by subtraction, and he was the problem at ES last year.
So I am forced to decline to accept this data at this time.