How does everyone feel about Jack Johnson?
Have we discussed him yet?
How does everyone feel about Jack Johnson?
Have we discussed him yet?
I like turtles!How does everyone feel about Jack Johnson?
Have we discussed him yet?
Maatta was traded... turtles have no place in this conversation anymore lolI like turtles!
Rust was more productive than McCann at 5v5. McCann needs to take a step forwards there to maintain his production assuming his EN/PK numbers don't stay the same.
Tbh, based solely on last season's offensive numbers, Rust and McCann would be two of the last wingers I'd be looking to put in the top 6 - only Tanev would come below.
So Hagelin is a prodigal son around here and Rust has suddenly become “too expensive to afford” despite us paying 7 mil to our 5 and 6 D.
It's not unreasonable. I just think there is too much criticism of Rust and I feel the need to defend his honor for some reason. The annual off season tradition of @pixiesfanyo and Shady Machine against the world thing I guess.
I think the top six should obviously be:
Jake - Sid - Kahun
Galchenyuk - Malkin - Rust
@Andy99
Only made it part way through before I stopped. Basically looks at every pick Shero or JR traded in picks for player deals and who they could have drafted with those picks. For who was taken with that exact pick, for the 30 picks following that pick, and for any player in the rest of the draft.
And with the exception of Barzal at 16 from the Perron trade, most of those players are pretty meh. T.Bertuzzi and Dzingel are the only other 2 standouts. Then it goes to fantasy land where we somehow would have drafted Stone, Gaudreau, Point and Arvidsson.
What happens when an NHL team goes for it ... every single...
I could have made millions if my stock broker invested in Microsoft, Apple, and Amazon when it very first came out. Damn him!!!
I find his style of music..unimpressive.
same auld lang syne with youIt's perfect for when Dan Fogelberg is too edgy.
@Andy99
Only made it part way through before I stopped. Basically looks at every pick Shero or JR traded in picks for player deals and who they could have drafted with those picks. For who was taken with that exact pick, for the 30 picks following that pick, and for any player in the rest of the draft.
And with the exception of Barzal at 16 from the Perron trade, most of those players are pretty meh. T.Bertuzzi and Dzingel are the only other 2 standouts. Then it goes to fantasy land where we somehow would have drafted Stone, Gaudreau, Point and Arvidsson.
What happens when an NHL team goes for it ... every single...
McCann had higher P/60 and G/60 in his limited time here, and that's despite spending far less of his time in the top 6 than Rust. Sid's line also performed better with McCann...without the benefit of years to develop chemistry.
We both know what value Rust and McCann represent in the top 6. Fast, two-way players who can puck hound and be one of the first back on d. I don't know which of Rust, McCann, or Kahun will be used in that role this year, but I'd prioritize McCann over Rust to start the year based on what he showed last season.
That there is the difference between 5v5 and ES/all strengths. Rust 5v5 pace over the season was 6 points higher than McCanns (30 vs 24) and was .37 better in terms of p.60. Switch to ES and the tale changes dramatically because of McCann's Grabner impression. And while that was valuable and would be valuable going forwards, it doesn't really qualify McCann to be playing top 6.
Better line stats does, and McCann's are generally better at 5v5 although that's complicated by Rust + Crosby having insane PDO together. Not always hugely better though.
In any case - Sid performed better with neither in sight.
I hate the philosophy of analysis regarding most of these pseudo-analytic “progressive” analysts who think the point of running a team is mitigating all possible risk and building an all-star team, and not winning the ****ing Cup. There is no guarantee that fantasy land Pittsburgh with all those all star forwards is better, can even exist with the Cap, or has any Cups.
And I’d say this is where actual footage is needed because statistically Simon crushed it with Sid and I’d argue out of all three they had the worst chemistry.
Also, I think we are getting a little overboard here in the analytics. Rust and Simon both had solid stat lines analytically with Sid and Jake as a line. Just because one is better doesn’t mean Jake - Sid - Rust wasn’t good.
And I’d say this is where actual footage is needed because statistically Simon crushed it with Sid and I’d argue out of all three they had the worst chemistry.
Also, I think we are getting a little overboard here in the analytics. Rust and Simon both had solid stat lines analytically with Sid and Jake as a line. Just because one is better doesn’t mean Jake - Sid - Rust wasn’t good.
If one were to go by all the comments about how brutal having Rust on L1 is (either in these threads or the GDTs) then I'd actually question how "good" they actually were with Rust there, and what Rust did to help that line.
I'm still struggling with the concept that Dupuis and especially were leeches off of Crosby, but Rust is some amazing piece for him.
And I’d say this is where actual footage is needed because statistically Simon crushed it with Sid and I’d argue out of all three they had the worst chemistry.
Also, I think we are getting a little overboard here in the analytics. Rust and Simon both had solid stat lines analytically with Sid and Jake as a line. Just because one is better doesn’t mean Jake - Sid - Rust wasn’t good.