Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap: The Trades We'd Make Before The Play Offs

[Jules Winnfield]

So who does everyone think is going to be gone before next season starts? I think this is going to be the biggest offseason blowup of the Crosby era. Of course there will be some mediocre players moving, but I think there's a real chance Kris Letang has played his last game as a Penguin. Probably Murray too.

Murray
Johnson
Schultz
Hornqvist
Sheary
Marlololololol
Bjugstad

 

[robes1]

Sullivan really needs to go, he stopped effectively coaching this team a while ago. After that, get rid of JJ.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Murray is without a shred of doubt gone. I'm 100% confident he's out.

Beyond that, there is a lot of uncertainty. I think they try to move Hornqvist, but he has a full NTC so they may have problems with that. Letang is a trade candidate as well, which sucks because he's one of a few that showed up in the playoffs. Rust, Guentzel and Dumoulin are the dark horse trade candidates. I think McCann may also get shipped out, mostly due to the Penguins not wanting to pay him.

A lot depends on what happens with the draft lottery.

Slight correction on Hornqvist's NTC: it's partial in that he can list 8 teams he doesn't want to go to

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Sully isn’t the issue. The issue is he lost his general that he had in Tocchet who was the connection to the players and a much better strategist than Recchi. Tocchet had a personal relationship with the players and there was a lot of respect they had of him. They didn’t want to let him down. I’ve been told this from a friend on the inside...

It’s a shame because Sully and Tocchet were a good combo.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I wonder if this is a situation where Mario tells Rutherford to fire Sullivan. And if he doesn't...both are out the door.

Didn't something happen like that in 2014?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Slight correction on Hornqvist's NTC: it's partial in that he can list 8 teams he doesn't want to go to

No, that's only in the last 2 years of his deal. He has a full NTC up until that point.

 

[66-30-33]

Sully isn’t the issue. The issue is he lost his general that he had in Tocchet who was the connection to the players and a much better strategist than Recchi. Tocchet had a personal relationship with the players and there was a lot of respect they had of him. They didn’t want to let him down. I’ve been told this from a friend on the inside...

It’s a shame because Sully and Tocchet were a good combo.

Maybe Zona fire Tocchet in favor of Gallant or Lavs and we fire Recchi and hire Tocchet back?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

GMJR and Sully aren’t going anywhere

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

Sully isn’t the issue. The issue is he lost his general that he had in Tocchet who was the connection to the players and a much better strategist than Recchi. Tocchet had a personal relationship with the players and there was a lot of respect they had of him. They didn’t want to let him down. I’ve been told this from a friend on the inside...

It’s a shame because Sully and Tocchet were a good combo.

This is my feeling. Tocchet was the field general and Sully was the leader. Rex is not a good coach and Sully is hurting from that loss

 

[Randy Butternubs]

No, that's only in the last 2 years of his deal. He has a full NTC up until that point.

Well f***.

 

[Rakell67]

For fun, if Pens were to win the lotto, where would Lafreniere play with Zucker and Guentzel being LWs.

Lafrenière Crosby Zucker
Guentzel Malkin Rust
Simon McCann Hornqvist
Aston-Reese Blueger Tanev
Lafferty

revamped D

Jarry

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Even if we don't win the lotto, we'll have a better pick than we've had for almost a decade. If we use Murray and our 1st to move up, we could probably get into the top-10, probably closer to 5 than 10.

The question becomes; Do you trade that pick for a guy who can help make one last shot at a Cup more realistic, or do you draft the stud prospect and start to build for trying to remain relevant during the downturn?

Or, do you split up the Big 3 and load up on a Crosby-led team for the long haul? I don't think you do, because an aging Letang and an aging Malkin don't bring you back what you'd need to make those deals, but if they did...

 

[66-30-33]

Maybe now JR wont ignore the D allowing scrubs to man the blue line. Time to rework the D and if Letang does get traded maybe we can get Fowler here somehow? Wanted him for a few years.

 

[Shrimper]

Even if we don't win the lotto, we'll have a better pick than we've had for almost a decade. If we use Murray and our 1st to move up, we could probably get into the top-10, probably closer to 5 than 10.

The question becomes; Do you trade that pick for a guy who can help make one last shot at a Cup more realistic, or do you draft the stud prospect and start to build for trying to remain relevant during the downturn?

Or, do you split up the Big 3 and load up on a Crosby-led team for the long haul? I don't think you do, because an aging Letang and an aging Malkin don't bring you back what you'd need to make those deals, but if they did...

I'd draft a ready prospect and hope next year you do well so it's a late pick

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

Even if we don't win the lotto, we'll have a better pick than we've had for almost a decade. If we use Murray and our 1st to move up, we could probably get into the top-10, probably closer to 5 than 10.

The question becomes; Do you trade that pick for a guy who can help make one last shot at a Cup more realistic, or do you draft the stud prospect and start to build for trying to remain relevant during the downturn?

Or, do you split up the Big 3 and load up on a Crosby-led team for the long haul? I don't think you do, because an aging Letang and an aging Malkin don't bring you back what you'd need to make those deals, but if they did...

It's an important question JR needs to ask himself and it depends on need. Do you package Murray, 15th pick, and maybe McCann or Bjugstadt to a team like Buffalo in desperate need of a 2C and could use a cup winning goalie till UPL is ready for 8th and a Brandon Mountor? You can grab a winger like Holtz or a center like Rossi which could help in a year or 2.

If you're moving Letang I look at a team like Toronto who could use Murray and Letang and maybe you get their first plus Kapp back or maybe a kid like Robertson or go D and get Sandin/Liljegren.

The emergence of Marino and Jarry gives them some flexibility to make a move that helps now and in a couple of seasons. If we get a top 10 pick in this draft, combined with Poulin and POJ you are building something

 

[KIRK]

GMJR and Sully aren’t going anywhere

Then the 'changes' won't matter

(and I agree by the way they're not going anywhere)

 

[KIRK]

Sully isn’t the issue. The issue is he lost his general that he had in Tocchet who was the connection to the players and a much better strategist than Recchi. Tocchet had a personal relationship with the players and there was a lot of respect they had of him. They didn’t want to let him down. I’ve been told this from a friend on the inside...

It’s a shame because Sully and Tocchet were a good combo.

This aligns with what I've heard.

EXCEPT . . . Sullivan was part of the decision to choose Recchi despite knowing what he needed in a replacement to Tocchet.

EDIT: I also understand that Tocchet would play devil's advocate/politely challenge with Sully in a way Recchi never has.

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

This aligns with what I've heard.

EXCEPT . . . Sullivan was part of the decision to choose Recchi despite knowing what he needed in a replacement to Tocchet.

EDIT: I also understand that Tocchet would play devil's advocate/politely challenge with Sully in a way Recchi never has.

If you get Tochh 2.0 Sully still being here might not be a huge issue

Granted as I am typing this my friend texted JJ/Schultz ended the series with 1 min more ice time than Petts/Marino so what the hell am I even talking about Brother Kirk????

 

[The Old Master]

Then the 'changes' won't matter

(and I agree by the way they're not going anywhere)

come on! give me just a glimmer of hope.

 

[orby]

I wouldn't trade a top 15 pick tbh. Take the best player available and look to the future. The Pens should honestly be thinking about transitioning to the post-Sid and Geno era at this point, not prolonging it. I think this core's time as a powerhouse is over, and getting one more big impact player won't change that.

For the record - I think Malkin will walk when his contract ends. I don't think they will, or should, trade him.

 

[KIRK]

If you get Tochh 2.0 Sully still being here might not be a huge issue

Granted as I am typing this my friend texted JJ/Schultz ended the series with 1 min more ice time than Petts/Marino so what the hell am I even talking about Brother Kirk????

In a few words . . .

 

[KIRK]

come on! give me just a glimmer of hope.

 

[Will Hunting]

There is no chance that Guentzel, Rust or Dumo are traded. None. Not ideal in this series but you have to look at the bigger picture with them. They are gonna be very good players next season, more likely than not. I am just happy that Justin Schultz played last game in Pens uniform. A bit cruel for Murray too. He is not the reason why they choked here but it just makes too much sense to go with Jarry now.

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

There is no chance that Guentzel, Rust or Dumo are traded. None. Not ideal in this series but you have to look at the bigger picture with them. They are gonna be very good players next season, more likely than not. I am just happy that Justin Schultz played last game in Pens uniform. A bit cruel for Murray too. He is not the reason why they choked here but it just makes too much sense to go with Jarry now.

I think you could argue Marino has supplanted Dumo though I don't think Dumo is going anywhere. I could legit see Letang traded and Dumo Marino as your top pair

 

[Turin]

Sully isn’t the issue. The issue is he lost his general that he had in Tocchet who was the connection to the players and a much better strategist than Recchi. Tocchet had a personal relationship with the players and there was a lot of respect they had of him. They didn’t want to let him down. I’ve been told this from a friend on the inside...

It’s a shame because Sully and Tocchet were a good combo.

Sullivan had no reason to play JJ and Marleau. They brought nothing but age. Where did his stones go?