Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary cap: Once upon a time in Kennywood

[Khelandros]

Stan, Guy.... Long time lurker, first time poster.

Nagging question --

With the 1-way contract additions at the deadline, what happens when the team gets healthy enough (I know, seems like a pipe-dream) such that there are too many players at the NHL level? Who is waiver exempt other than, I think, Marino?

Is this even an issue?

It is a potential issue. With Lafferty up in an emergency role, the Pens have 23 on their active roster. Assuming Lafferty goes back, that makes 22. Trotman will also likely go back to make that 21. Dumoulin and Marino coming back brings that to 23 on the roster. If Bjugstad ever comes back from IR someone will have to go to IR or to WBS.

If i'm understanding the question correctly; After the trade deadline, teams are allowed to have an unlimited roster count as long as that roster is cap compliant. Before the deadline there is a max of 23 players on the NHL roster.

 

[LumberJag]

If i'm understanding the question correctly; After the trade deadline, teams are allowed to have an unlimited roster count as long as that roster is cap compliant. Before the deadline there is a max of 23 players on the NHL roster.

Wasn't aware of that -- I was thinking the "Black Aces" were only available for playoffs.

Solves the issue if accurate.

 

[Khelandros]

Wasn't aware of that -- I was thinking the "Black Aces" were only available for playoffs.

Solves the issue if accurate.

16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

Article 50 of the CBA deals with team payroll and revenue sharing. Basically boils down to if they are willing to pay the costs, they can have as many players as the want up.

 

[LumberJag]

16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

Article 50 of the CBA deals with team payroll and revenue sharing. Basically boils down to if they are willing to pay the costs, they can have as many players as the want up.

You the real MVP.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

Article 50 of the CBA deals with team payroll and revenue sharing. Basically boils down to if they are willing to pay the costs, they can have as many players as the want up.

Did not know that, good catch!

 

[Tom Hanks]

Seems to be the most likely scenario.

Still though, at impending full health (Dumo/Marino/Bjug, sans Jake of course), who goes down out of ZAR/Riikola/Ruhwedel/ERod (assuming Simon is out of the question). Is Riikola still waiver exempt?

Maybe they know Bjugstad isn't coming back. Hm.

Lafferty is the only one waiver exempt out of the guys that would be sent down. Trotman is probably fine too if he hasn’t been up for 30 days since he last went down.

If completely healthy a forward or D man goes down. I think any other forward would get claimed. So probably be Riikola or Ruhwedel and I think they’d get through.

Although that cuts our D depth if one potentially gets claimed.

I don’t think we won’t have at least one injury though.

EDIT: Forget everything I just said

 

[Riptide]

Ah, I see my first "ignore" candidate has surfaced. Truly a banner day!

If that's your litmus test to "ignore" people, I think you'll find this a pretty barren place after a short time.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If that's your litmus test to "ignore" people, I think you'll find this a pretty barren place after a short time.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

EDIT: Forget everything I just said

My spreadsheet shows that the Pens can have Lafferty and Trotman up for the rest of the season and have about $900k left in cap space. [CapFriendly shows about $800k left.] I do think they should still go to WBS though for the savings in case/when another rash of injuries occur and they need to bring up a bunch of WBS folk.

 

[Riptide]

If i'm understanding the question correctly; After the trade deadline, teams are allowed to have an unlimited roster count as long as that roster is cap compliant. Before the deadline there is a max of 23 players on the NHL roster.

False. Pre TD the roster is capped at 23 players. Post TD it goes to 24 players.

Edit. Seems I'm mistaken here, and that there is no limit. Now need to go find where I read that it only went to 24.

 

[LumberJag]

If that's your litmus test to "ignore" people, I think you'll find this a pretty barren place after a short time.

Works for me.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Ah, I see my first "ignore" candidate has surfaced. Truly a banner day!

Who's alt are you again?

 

[live4hockey]

No idea if he would get claimed....but it looks like Trotman would have to clear waivers:
Zach Trotman Waivers Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[HandshakeLine]

My spreadsheet shows that the Pens can have Lafferty and Trotman up for the rest of the season and have about $900k left in cap space. [CapFriendly shows about $800k left.] I do think they should still go to WBS though for the savings in case/when another rash of injuries occur and they need to bring up a bunch of WBS folk.

We still don't have Jake on LTIR though, right? So in theory we could just send him to the LTIR and then call up who we need, if we need to call someone up.

 

[LumberJag]

Who's alt are you again?

Just me. Please feel free to pursue the alternative as much as you want.

 

[HandshakeLine]

False. Pre TD the roster is capped at 23 players. Post TD it goes to 24 players.

Edit. Seems I'm mistaken here, and that there is no limit. Now need to go find where I read that it only went to 24.

I remember thinking that too, but I might be a CBA or two behind.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

We still don't have Jake on LTIR though, right? So in theory we could just send him to the LTIR and then call up who we need, if we need to call someone up.

Jake went on LTIR just before or at the same time the Penguins acquired Sheary and Rodrigues.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Jake went on LTIR just before or at the same time the Penguins acquired Sheary and Rodrigues.

Ah, thanks Randy. I must have missed that. So scratch what I was saying.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

"time, provided, however, that, on"

Jeez!

 

[66-30-33]

I really hope in the offseason JR goes and gets a guy for 3 RD that can help move the puck up the ice and wont get caught. Obviously we wont be moving Petts and he's apparently a top 4 D for us moving forward (scarey) so Riikola and find someone that helps the team vs doesn't help. Maybe Sabres can retain 50% on Miller? 2 years left after this season. Riikola-Miller. Sabres also have a shit ton of cap space in the summer. Miller can also move into a top 4 spot when injuries hit Marino/Letang.

 

[Shady Machine]

16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

"time, provided, however, that, on"

Jeez!

It says "on the date" not from there on out. I'd have to read article 50 to see what that part means.

 

[Khelandros]

It says "on the date" not from there on out. I'd have to read article 50 to see what that part means.

From the trade deadline to the end of the regular season, teams can have as many players on their roster as they can fit under the cap, but they can only call up 4 players from their AHL squad during that time. In the Pens case, the injured players don't count as call ups so they are just added to the active roster. Once the Playoffs start, they can add more players if they choose due to there being no cap during the Playoffs.

The reason teams don't usually do this is because they are responsible for all expenses tied to these players. Travel, hotel, meals, per diem, etc.. But if they don't believe a player can pass through waivers, the option is there for them to hang around but not play.

Emergency recalls don't count towards the 4 AHL player recall list.

 

[Khelandros]

My spreadsheet shows that the Pens can have Lafferty and Trotman up for the rest of the season and have about $900k left in cap space. [CapFriendly shows about $800k left.] I do think they should still go to WBS though for the savings in case/when another rash of injuries occur and they need to bring up a bunch of WBS folk.

I think this close to the end of the season, if they would need to recall someone it would be easier to place the injured player on IR and call someone up.

 

[Tom Hanks]

My spreadsheet shows that the Pens can have Lafferty and Trotman up for the rest of the season and have about $900k left in cap space. [CapFriendly shows about $800k left.] I do think they should still go to WBS though for the savings in case/when another rash of injuries occur and they need to bring up a bunch of WBS folk.

900k in total monies or a 900k cap hit. If it’s total we are more than fine as daily cap hits for AHL players will be really low.

 

[Riptide]

From Freidman's 31 thoughts.
31. Was watching Jason Zucker leave morning skate on a freezing day in Toronto. No socks. Minnesota winters toughen you up.