Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap: Lets do a better Reload than Hetfield

[PensandCaps]

It's incredibly naive to think that if Simon is back he won't end up back on Crosby's line.

Then again, it's also incredibly naive to think he can be a "driver" of any line. After the last 3 playoffs, they need less players like that.

Well Sheary will be with Sid.

Simon on the 3rd LW is a solid player.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Well Sheary will be with Sid.

Simon on the 3rd LW is a solid player.

Both of those things need to become part of Penguins history A S A P.

 

[Peat]

Well Sheary will be with Sid.

Simon on the 3rd LW is a solid player.

If they've got an internal cap around low to mid 70s, Sheary's only back if he's working very cheap.

 

[Shockmaster]

If they've got an internal cap around low to mid 70s, Sheary's only back if he's working very cheap.

Cap concerns aside, neither should be back with the team next year.

 

[SEALBound]

Unless they move McCann to wing, I see no use in him being here. I think they could get a decent Defenseman for McCann.

I hope we Retain Simon to be a driver for the 3rd line with Hornqvist.

But we need a 3C badly.

There are so many options of who to trade and for what, I still like the McCann for Montour suggestion that seemed to be tolerable to both sides.

If you do that, you can look to perhaps trade Hornqvist for a younger center with 3C upside or even a comparable contract. I hate to say but the Turris thing may even play there. I would want the staff to do what they did for Brassard if they look at Turris though - figure out when he excelled best and try to surround him with those players.

A defense of:

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Marino
Montour-Riikola/POJ

doesn't seem too bad to me. Or if they look to move Letang, Montour could go with Pettersson or Dumo to bolster the 2nd pairing.

Simon makes a lot of sense to resign much to everyone's dismay. He's not useless and he's shown he can skate well enough with Sid. He's just got to produce more and perhaps that can come with time. Sometimes things click not unlike they did with Rust this year. Simon as a 20-20-40 guy would be big for us truth be told.

Jake-Sid-Simon
Zuck-Malkin-Rust
Poulin-Bleuger-Horny
ZAR-Laffs-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Marino
Montour-Riikola/POJ

Jarry/CDS

Murray out with JJ for picks.

I think a Letang trade would look a lot like the Subban trade - d prospect + 2 2nds or a 1st. If they take the full 7.25, there's a lot of flexibility now.

 

[pokey10]

Unless they move McCann to wing, I see no use in him being here. I think they could get a decent Defenseman for McCann.

I hope we Retain Simon to be a driver for the 3rd line with Hornqvist.

But we need a 3C badly.

I still want McCann for one more year. Just hope he gets used differently.

 

[Shockmaster]

Simon makes a lot of sense to resign much to everyone's dismay. He's not useless and he's shown he can skate well enough with Sid. He's just got to produce more and perhaps that can come with time. Sometimes things click not unlike they did with Rust this year. Simon as a 20-20-40 guy would be big for us truth be told.

Simon is 26 years old and hasn't scored more than 8 goals in a season. At this point, anyone holding out hope that he's somehow going to turn into a 20-goal scorer is beyond naive.

 

[PensandCaps]

There are so many options of who to trade and for what, I still like the McCann for Montour suggestion that seemed to be tolerable to both sides.

If you do that, you can look to perhaps trade Hornqvist for a younger center with 3C upside or even a comparable contract. I hate to say but the Turris thing may even play there. I would want the staff to do what they did for Brassard if they look at Turris though - figure out when he excelled best and try to surround him with those players.

A defense of:

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Marino
Montour-Riikola/POJ

doesn't seem too bad to me. Or if they look to move Letang, Montour could go with Pettersson or Dumo to bolster the 2nd pairing.

Simon makes a lot of sense to resign much to everyone's dismay. He's not useless and he's shown he can skate well enough with Sid. He's just got to produce more and perhaps that can come with time. Sometimes things click not unlike they did with Rust this year. Simon as a 20-20-40 guy would be big for us truth be told.

Jake-Sid-Simon
Zuck-Malkin-Rust
Poulin-Bleuger-Horny
ZAR-Laffs-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Marino
Montour-Riikola/POJ

Jarry/CDS

Murray out with JJ for picks.

I think a Letang trade would look a lot like the Subban trade - d prospect + 2 2nds or a 1st. If they take the full 7.25, there's a lot of flexibility now.

You would have zero Problems getting a team to take Letangs cap hit in full, becuase hes on a steal of a cap hit.

One of the Best RHD in the NHL like Letang should be making 9.5-10.5.


which is why trading Letang is super idiotic.

your number 1 weakness is Defense.

How does trading one of the best Defensemen in the NHL make your Defense better? Letang is one of the few guys in the world who can go out against the top lines, PK and give you 26 good minutes consistently.

I want to watch Letang and Marino for a full season.

 

[PensandCaps]

Cap concerns aside, neither should be back with the team next year.

Sheary with Sid works. if he comes back for like 1.5, its a good deal.

Zucker - Sid - Sheary will be very good in the regular season.

 

[Shockmaster]

Sheary with Sid works. if he comes back for like 1.5, its a good deal.

Zucker - Sid - Sheary will be very good in the regular season.

Maybe in 2016 and 2017. He was awful after he was re-acquired from Buffalo. Easily pushed off the puck by defensemen, and could barely enter the zone without falling down.

 

[PensandCaps]

You trade Murray, Bjug and McCann for pieces. Buyout JJ

Zucker - Sid - Sheary

Guentzel - Malkin - Rust

Simon - xxx - Hornqvist

Lafferty - Blueger - Tanev


Dumo - Letang

Pettersson - Marino

Riikola/Ruh/POJ/Almari


Depending on the pieces you get back for Murray and McCann, thats a solid team.

 

[PensandCaps]

Maybe in 2016 and 2017. He was awful after he was re-acquired from Buffalo. Easily pushed off the puck by defensemen, and could barely enter the zone without falling down.

well, hes been good here in his 2nd stint.

 

[Shockmaster]

well, hes been good here in his 2nd stint.

If getting manhandled and not being able to stay on his feet is your definition of being good, okay then.

 

[PensandCaps]

If getting manhandled and not being able to stay on his feet is your definition of being good, okay then.

Is that the stat you're using?

becuase im seeing 6 points in 12 games, one of our best Corsi players in his time here.

nothing supports your argument that Sheary has sucked.

 

[SEALBound]

Simon is 26 years old and hasn't scored more than 8 goals in a season. At this point, anyone holding out hope that he's somehow going to turn into a 20-goal scorer is beyond naive.

I think the skill set is there. Whether or not he executes is another question. The other thing to consider is if him being on the line bolsters Jake and Sid's totals. As long as the lines scores, ultimately, that's all that matters. Say you want 80 goals from the line in a season. Is 40-35-5 (Jake-Sid-Simon) better or worse than 30-30-20?

You would have zero Problems getting a team to take Letangs cap hit in full, becuase hes on a steal of a cap hit.

One of the Best RHD in the NHL like Letang should be making 9.5-10.5.

which is why trading Letang is super idiotic.

your number 1 weakness is Defense.

How does trading one of the best Defensemen in the NHL make your Defense better? Letang is one of the few guys in the world who can go out against the top lines, PK and give you 26 good minutes consistently.

I want to watch Letang and Marino for a full season.

You often ask questions in which you want an answer in a vacuum and it never works that way because it ignores every other possible change that may provide an added benefit. On paper, Letang out with no changes, of course your defense is worse in a vacuum. But combine Letang out with a new coaching staff that may help provide a better team/defensive structure, a good player you get in return for Letang, a good player you get in return for another trade, etc and you could see a better "defense". Letang is not without his issues. Now JR did say that he's not moving the core but then you look at them wanting to be in the mid-70s and it makes you wonder.

Like what if you send Letang to Edmonton for Larsson+ and then McCann to Buff for Montour.

Dumo-Marino
Petts-Larsson
POJ-Montour

Certainly has the makes to be a better overall defense than what we have.

Sheary with Sid works. if he comes back for like 1.5, its a good deal.

Zucker - Sid - Sheary will be very good in the regular season.

I would entertain his return at 1.5mil.

 

[PensandCaps]

If they have to cut salary, they should look at the 4th liner in Tanev making 3.5 mil or the 5.7 million PP specialist in Hornqvist.


I'd keep Tanev, get rid of Hornqvist

 

[OswaldBates]

If they have to cut salary, they should look at the 4th liner in Tanev making 3.5 mil or the 5.7 million PP specialist in Hornqvist.


I'd keep Tanev, get rid of Hornqvist

UHHHH Yeah cut Tanev

 

[OswaldBates]

Is that the stat you're using?

becuase im seeing 6 points in 12 games, one of our best Corsi players in his time here.

nothing supports your argument that Sheary has sucked.

UMMMMM NO !

 

[PensandCaps]

I think the skill set is there. Whether or not he executes is another question. The other thing to consider is if him being on the line bolsters Jake and Sid's totals. As long as the lines scores, ultimately, that's all that matters. Say you want 80 goals from the line in a season. Is 40-35-5 (Jake-Sid-Simon) better or worse than 30-30-20?



You often ask questions in which you want an answer in a vacuum and it never works that way because it ignores every other possible change that may provide an added benefit. On paper, Letang out with no changes, of course your defense is worse in a vacuum. But combine Letang out with a new coaching staff that may help provide a better team/defensive structure, a good player you get in return for Letang, a good player you get in return for another trade, etc and you could see a better "defense". Letang is not without his issues. Now JR did say that he's not moving the core but then you look at them wanting to be in the mid-70s and it makes you wonder.

Like what if you send Letang to Edmonton for Larsson+ and then McCann to Buff for Montour.

Dumo-Marino
Petts-Larsson
POJ-Montour

Certainly has the makes to be a better overall defense than what we have.



I would entertain his return at 1.5mil.

If they trade Letang for f***ing Larsson and scrap, they should just go and trade Malkin for Toews too.

Structure!!!

stupid.

 

[Shockmaster]

Is that the stat you're using?

becuase im seeing 6 points in 12 games, one of our best Corsi players in his time here.

nothing supports your argument that Sheary has sucked.

Really? How has having Corsi champions served the Penguins over the last 3 playoffs?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Theoretically, I like the idea of the internal cap.

It keeps JR from doing anything dumb in FA, forces him to move out some guys and should give younger guys a better shot to make the roster.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This team is getting way too close to Shero/Bylsma territory of "regular season success, followed by miserable playoff failure", if we're not already at that point.

If you want to have another serious shot at making a Cup run, you've got to accept that big, sweeping changes need to be made--and quickly. Time's running out.

 

[Empoleon8771]

And here we go. Kinda spits in the face of an "internal cap" idea.

 

[PensandCaps]

Really? How has having Corsi champions served the Penguins over the last 3 playoffs?

lol if anything the Penguins are ignoring the metrics by Signing JJ, trading for Reaves.

 

[Lust for Life]

Theoretically, I like the idea of the internal cap.

It keeps JR from doing anything dumb in FA, forces him to move out some guys and should give younger guys a better shot to make the roster.

Agreed. And it offers flexibility going forward if the world ever return to what was normal before this virus situation.