Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap: Lets do a better Reload than Hetfield

[Empoleon8771]

He's already got two near perfect left-handed wingers. I know you think he's too expensive to be a 3C here, but he's also too expensive to be a LW here too. And our LWs as RWs doesn't make much sense. Hell - given Domi's history, him as a W is questionable.

I'm not worried about moving one of Zucker, Guentzel or Domi to LW to make that top line work. I think Domi's play style fits well enough with Crosby that I'm willing to take the gamble on him potentially ending as a 3C or 3LW if he can't play RW.

Domi isn't Tkachuk or Marchand, who I think is the absolute perfect winger for Crosby, but he's not far off.

Not on board with trading Rust who makes 3.5 million.

Those are the value contracts you keep.


Rust PKs, scores goals, one of the best Defensive wingers in the NHL, was a PPG player this past year.

If you want to keep any good player the Penguins have, you don't actually want to make changes though.

Rust is a hard guy to trade, yes. But if you're saying no to every Rust caliber trade option, you're going to have the same team next year as this year.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

There's not really any downside to adding Domi to the Penguins. I don't know where he'd fit, but he's the exact type of guy we need to be looking for. Young, great skater, able to step in and have an impact immediately. That's the kind of guy you go after, even if it means shuffling around cap elsewhere to make it work. The only thing I'm concerned about is how we make it work position-wise. One of Jake, Zucker or Domi will have to go to the RW, and I'm not sure any of them are genuinely comfortable there, or excel there.

 

[Shockmaster]

He's already got two near perfect left-handed wingers. I know you think he's too expensive to be a 3C here, but he's also too expensive to be a LW here too. And our LWs as RWs doesn't make much sense. Hell - given Domi's history, him as a W is questionable.

Domi really hasn't worked out well as a center though. I do get your point about not wanting wingers to play their off-wing, but that said if it had to be done Guentzel has proven he can play RW.

 

[PensandCaps]

Domi's also like 3 years younger and has a higher upside than Rust. Domi did last year without Crosby or Malkin what Rust did this year with Crosby and Malkin.

That's also a pretty good example of a shake-up trade that JR could actually manage to pull off.

It doesn't make any sense to trade a better cheaper player for a worse more expensive one.


Really hope JR isn't that dumb. becuase its a really really dumb as shit trade.


Hopefully he can get McCann to be the player traded.

 

[Turin]

Trading Rust who is better and signed cheaper, for Domi seems really stupid.

Domi has a higher offensive ceiling, and they’d be banking on Rust not replicating his season now. But, if Domi’s deal is decently expensive it’s probably not worth it. McCann and Legare for Domi? No idea. Bergevin just watched McCann be terrible then a HS so..

 

[Empoleon8771]

It doesn't make any sense to trade a better cheaper player for a worse more expensive one.


Really hope JR isn't that dumb. becuase its a really really dumb as shit trade.


Hopefully he can get McCann to be the player traded.

There is no guarantee that Domi is a worse player than Rust, and you're ignoring the age difference and the fact that this team needs a shake-up.

 

[PensandCaps]

Domi has a higher offensive ceiling, and they’d be banking on Rust not replicating his season now. But, if Domi’s deal is decently expensive it’s probably not worth it. McCann and Legare for Domi? No idea. Bergevin just watched McCann be terrible then a HS so..

Domi isn't as good a goal scorer or Defensive player.

This is just people fawning over draft Position

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Sheary with Sid works. if he comes back for like 1.5, its a good deal.

Zucker - Sid - Sheary will be very good in the regular season.

Tanev has one more goal than Sheary does over the past two seasons.

That's not a good look for Sheary.

 

[Peat]

I'm not worried about moving one of Zucker, Guentzel or Domi to LW to make that top line work. I think Domi's play style fits well enough with Crosby that I'm willing to take the gamble on him potentially ending as a 3C or 3LW if he can't play RW.

Domi isn't Tkachuk or Marchand, who I think is the absolute perfect winger for Crosby, but he's not far off.

We've done enough damage shoving round pegs in square holes. Throwing a crap ton at doing another one... well, fair dos, not for me



In any case, I don't think this is actually a goer. You listen to Friedman's latest, Pens stuff starts about 75 minutes, and Friedman bases the idea on the Lemieux-Domi family tie and Rutherford's long term interest in him. Nothing about him having heard it - this is him speculating - or how it works.

 

[Empoleon8771]

We've done enough damage shoving round pegs in square holes. Throwing a crap ton at doing another one... well, fair dos, not for me



In any case, I don't think this is actually a goer. You listen to Friedman's latest, Pens stuff starts about 75 minutes, and Friedman bases the idea on the Lemieux-Domi family tie and Rutherford's long term interest in him. Nothing about him having heard it - this is him speculating - or how it works.

Yeah, Friedman never said that the Penguins were actively pursuing him, it was just speculation on his part. But on the other hand, you can say that same level of speculation was around Zucker, who JR did eventually trade for. Plus you can also point out that JR is really predictable with some trades he makes. JR isn't like Shero, who kept everything close to the vest.

This tweet may not be accurate, but this is a summary of Friedman's comments:



The "likely revisited in the summer" sounds more than speculation to me.

 

[Gurglesons]

Rust for Domi is an ugly ass trade and Domi likely wants 5-6 mil.

 

[Shockmaster]

Tanev has one more goal than Sheary does over the past two seasons.

That's not a good look for Sheary.

Goals and winning playoffs series are for losers brah. All about that Corsi.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think we sort of overrate Rust because we love him for his streaks of great play, and because of those great streaks, we sort of ignore the stretches of ineffective play. Do I think he's a bad player? Nah, not at all. I love Rust. But to say he's definitively better than Domi seems incorrect, and a bit biased to me.

Domi's been every bit the player Rust has been, production-wise, for years. He's also 3 years younger, and hasn't had the benefit of playing alongside Sid or Geno.

JR says big changes will be made, but specified the core is not part of his plans. I'm guessing that means Sid, Geno and Letang. That leaves guys like Rust, Hornqvist, Murray, and maybe even Dumo up in the air.

 

[Shockmaster]

Yeah, Friedman never said that the Penguins were actively pursuing him, it was just speculation on his part. But on the other hand, you can say that same level of speculation was around Zucker, who JR did eventually trade for. Plus you can also point out that JR is really predictable with some trades he makes. JR isn't like Shero, who kept everything close to the vest.

Didn't JR try to get Domi from Arizona the same off season they ended up trading him to Montreal for Galchenyuk? I seem to recall hearing he offered 2 of Rust, Sheary, and Simon, though I don't know if that was from a reliable source. If it was, JR would have absolutely fleeced Arizona if Sheary and Simon were the 2 players sent in exchange for Domi.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Didn't JR try to get Domi from Arizona the same off season they ended up trading him to Montreal for Galchenyuk? I seem to recall hearing he offered 2 of Rust, Sheary, and Simon, though I don't know if that was from a reliable source. If it was, JR would have absolutely fleeced Arizona if Sheary and Simon were the 2 players sent in exchange for Domi.

Yes, and JR also tried to get Domi at the trade deadline this year too.

 

[Turin]

Domi isn't as good a goal scorer or Defensive player.

This is just people fawning over draft Position

He’s also 3 years younger and scores 70 points a year ago. I don’t think anybody cares about the draft position.

Moving Rust is based on a number of different philosophies.

1. His value will never be higher and he’ll likely never repeat this season.
2. He won 2 Cups already.
3. He already deals with frequent injuries and will be 29 by the time the next playoffs role around.

I’m not saying he’s a must move, but if they want to retool he’s a guy you should probably put out there to see what you can get.

 

[Shockmaster]

I think we sort of overrate Rust because we love him for his streaks of great play, and because of those great streaks, we sort of ignore the stretches of ineffective play. Do I think he's a bad player? Nah, not at all. I love Rust. But to say he's definitively better than Domi seems incorrect, and a bit biased to me.

Domi's been every bit the player Rust has been, production-wise, for years. He's also 3 years younger, and hasn't had the benefit of playing alongside Sid or Geno.

JR says big changes will be made, but specified the core is not part of his plans. I'm guessing that means Sid, Geno and Letang. That leaves guys like Rust, Hornqvist, Murray, and maybe even Dumo up in the air.

Rust is overall a good player, but he's by no means untradeable.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think we sort of overrate Rust because we love him for his streaks of great play, and because of those great streaks, we sort of ignore the stretches of ineffective play. Do I think he's a bad player? Nah, not at all. I love Rust. But to say he's definitively better than Domi seems incorrect, and a bit biased to me.

Domi's been every bit the player Rust has been, production-wise, for years. He's also 3 years younger, and hasn't had the benefit of playing alongside Sid or Geno.

JR says big changes will be made, but specified the core is not part of his plans. I'm guessing that means Sid, Geno and Letang. That leaves guys like Rust, Hornqvist, Murray, and maybe even Dumo up in the air.

Go look deeper into Domi’s numbers.

He's nothing we need. Left handed shot that doesn't score well and nobody is even really sure what his positional play is.

The only thing I'd say he adds is some much needed swagger.

 

[Andy99]

Ugh...not the retreads again...just no to Domi, JR...he’s way overrated, doesn’t do much defensively either

 

[PensandCaps]

Domi has one year with his G/60 above 1.

Rust has 3.

 

[SEALBound]

If they have to cut salary, they should look at the 4th liner in Tanev making 3.5 mil or the 5.7 million PP specialist in Hornqvist.

I'd keep Tanev, get rid of Hornqvist

If they trade Letang for f***ing Larsson and scrap, they should just go and trade Malkin for Toews too.

Structure!!!

stupid.

And this is where having a conversation with you takes a nose dive. Typical. This is not many people engage with you.

This team is getting way too close to Shero/Bylsma territory of "regular season success, followed by miserable playoff failure", if we're not already at that point.

If you want to have another serious shot at making a Cup run, you've got to accept that big, sweeping changes need to be made--and quickly. Time's running out.

It's two years of failures. In 2018, they lose to powerhouse Caps who go on to win the Cup. They probably would have won the cup if they got past the Caps and that could have been accomplished by Murray be a minute amount of better. Isles then Montreal though, yeah I think they identify the need for changes.

It took 5 years of RS/DB in Sid and Geno's prime before the red flag was big enough. So while I'm sure we all know there needs to be changes, lets not get hasty with comparing them to RS/DB.

And here we go. Kinda spits in the face of an "internal cap" idea.

Not that I'm not on board but...for who? I don't think the solution is lesser player + futures for Domi. Rust 1:1, I would get on board with. Domi+ for Letang, I would consider. Montreal has A LOT of picks this year and next. Domi+2020 2nd+2021 2nd+Mike Reilly for Letang+ZAR+2021 7th? Mike Reilly and ZAR serving as the roster player replacements. Picks off set value.

Simon has gotten plenty of top line opportunities since the latter part of the 2017-18 season. After getting by the Flyers with Hornqvist on the top line in the 2018 playoffs, Sullivan inexplicably put Simon up there against Washington where it was clear he was outmatched in that role. Played on the top line against the Islanders in 2019. Same thing, and the Penguins got swept. At what point do some of you just accept Simon just isn't that good?

I mean, I think we are there. You have to understand the context in which I suggested it, if the rumors of mid-70s are true, then we may not be able to afford much if we keep what we do have. That means we have to make concessions somewhere. Simon is one of the rare wings that is bearable with Sid. And he provides good metrics which hopefully manifest into something eventually. Simon can be had for $1mil. Considering what else may be out there at $1mil, I take my chances. I'm not advocating for this, I'm just suggestion that in tough times, this is a salvageable solution.

Domi was invisible in this year's playoffs. I know he had health concerns and it is a weird format in general, but I am not sure that I am a fan.

I don't know about that. I liked his game against us.

If Domi isn't working at center in MTL why do we think he'd work at C here?

I don't think they are bringing him in as a center though. I think the idea would be to stick him on Sid's RW.

I wonder if Hallander has a shot to make the team?

Perhaps but he needs to come to North America to find out. He's old enough for WBS now.

Domi is almost an absolutely perfect winger for Crosby. He's actually what Crosby thinks Sheary is. I have no reservations about him fitting with Crosby, none at all.

As far as available solutions that are in the realm of possibility, I agree.

 

[dogthateats]

Domi’s stat line in this years playoffs is weak as hell.

5gp 0g 0a 5sog -2 6h 1bs

 

[Turin]

Domi has one year with his G/60 above 1.

Rust has 3.

Rust also plays with Crosby and Malkin a whole lot.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Go look deeper into Domi’s numbers.

He's nothing we need. Left handed shot that doesn't score well and nobody is even really sure what his positional play is.

The only thing I'd say he adds is some much needed swagger.

Based on his spider chart from this year, I'm really not getting this vibe that he has bad underlying numbers. I wish I had his individual impact from hockeyviz, but I'm cheap

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Domi’s stat line in this years playoffs is weak as hell.

5gp 0g 0a 5sog -2 6h 1bs

Now do Evgeni Malkin or Kris Letang's last 8 playoff games.