Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread
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Pronman's #1 was POJ, who he lists as "average" skating and "below average" puck skills?
Honestly, Pronman's track record in recent years seems to be getting worse and worse. I can buy the Penguins prospect pool is bad and their top guys (namely Poulin and Legare) have concerns with their skating, but listing POJ's skating as "average" just makes me think that Pronman's evaluations of players is bad.
Honestly, Pronman's track record in recent years seems to be getting worse and worse. I can buy the Penguins prospect pool is bad and their top guys (namely Poulin and Legare) have concerns with their skating, but listing POJ's skating as "average" just makes me think that Pronman's evaluations of players is bad.
I completely disagree with Wilson. It doesn't need to be a zero sum game. You can compete now without trading away ever single asset you have.
Yes it makes sense we are at the bottom after years of trading picks and prospects.
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Is Pronman the guy who rated topless scenes in Hollywood films?
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I'm 95% convinced they're sub-regular schmucks.
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come and take it.
there is a reason teams hire scouts instead of just reading blogs.
#vote riiky
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I’m not a big fan of Pronman. But I think I agree with him in terms of his criteria. Hallander, Poulin, POJ all project as bottom six or bottom pairing guys at this point. That is great help for us, but when viewed against the larger sample in the league it gives us a bad impression.
We can have a prospect pool that potential is a huge gift for our team moving forward and not necessarily great in terms of position in the league.
We can have a prospect pool that potential is a huge gift for our team moving forward and not necessarily great in terms of position in the league.
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The team has had little to no picks. If 5 skaters are gonna see NHL time as Pronman suggests thats solid.
I don’t even necessarily disagree with calling Poulin a bottom 6er, I think it’s fair even if I’d be higher on him than that (but I’m biased). And I actually like Pronman. Looking at other teams and his draft tiers seems like he’s trying to be harsher this year.
however I wish there was more of an explanation on going from
Tier: Very good NHL player
Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 60
Poulin was one of the best players in the QMHL and a driving player for arguably the best team in that league. Poulin is a very creative offensive player with high-end hands who can flash elite caliber puckhandling. He can beat defenders one-on-one with ease and has the ability to break open a shift with his skill. He also makes a ton of great plays to his teammates in the offensive zone, showing vision and patience with the puck. Poulin has a strong frame and shows the ability to make plays around the net. His main drawback is his average footspeed and, given how physically developed he is, scouts have some concerns about whether this is as quick as he’ll ever be. Even without great quickness Poulin has so much offensive talent that he’ll be able to be a good NHL player.
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Tier: Projected to play NHL games
Skating: Below-average
Puck Skills: Average
Hockey Sense: Average
Compete: Average
Shot: Above-average
Poulin was an important player for a top QMJHL team this season in Val-d’Or, although his point production wasn’t massive. The talent is obvious when you watch Poulin play. He has very good puck skills, and can put pucks through legs and sticks with control. He sees the ice at a high level, often pulling up well to find seams and make plays to the high percentage areas to create chances. He also has a good mid-range shot and can score goals. Poulin’s footspeed has always been his main drawback, and with his game lacking NHL pace, I see him more likely as a bottom-six NHL forward than top-six.
Is that statistically based or more just on his overall game not being fully dominant as a 1st rounder in his final junior season? The Q and VDO should’ve gotten a lot of views given it was one of the few NA places going.
I don’t even necessarily disagree with calling Poulin a bottom 6er, I think it’s fair even if I’d be higher on him than that (but I’m biased). And I actually like Pronman. Looking at other teams and his draft tiers seems like he’s trying to be harsher this year.
however I wish there was more of an explanation on going from
Tier: Very good NHL player
Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 60
Poulin was one of the best players in the QMHL and a driving player for arguably the best team in that league. Poulin is a very creative offensive player with high-end hands who can flash elite caliber puckhandling. He can beat defenders one-on-one with ease and has the ability to break open a shift with his skill. He also makes a ton of great plays to his teammates in the offensive zone, showing vision and patience with the puck. Poulin has a strong frame and shows the ability to make plays around the net. His main drawback is his average footspeed and, given how physically developed he is, scouts have some concerns about whether this is as quick as he’ll ever be. Even without great quickness Poulin has so much offensive talent that he’ll be able to be a good NHL player.
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Tier: Projected to play NHL games
Skating: Below-average
Puck Skills: Average
Hockey Sense: Average
Compete: Average
Shot: Above-average
Poulin was an important player for a top QMJHL team this season in Val-d’Or, although his point production wasn’t massive. The talent is obvious when you watch Poulin play. He has very good puck skills, and can put pucks through legs and sticks with control. He sees the ice at a high level, often pulling up well to find seams and make plays to the high percentage areas to create chances. He also has a good mid-range shot and can score goals. Poulin’s footspeed has always been his main drawback, and with his game lacking NHL pace, I see him more likely as a bottom-six NHL forward than top-six.
Is that statistically based or more just on his overall game not being fully dominant as a 1st rounder in his final junior season? The Q and VDO should’ve gotten a lot of views given it was one of the few NA places going.
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I like that Gordie Howe elbow to the chops of that guy prior to open up space. Moar.
This really shouldn't surprise anyone. But of course, leave it to RW to bitch, lolz.
JR did what he needed to do and was directed to do. This team was going to fall off a cliff after Sid and Geno go. That's inevitable no amount of prospects taken 20+ in the last 5-6 years would prevent that. JR looked to make the team win and they did. Every season was geared toward that because he and the ownership knew that this was their best chance. People complaining about the prospect pool now...morons. And I'm sure the fact that we've been a perennial contender for 13 years is lost on those people.
This year and next. Go for it. I think our last swing for the fence should be next year. You hope that you can get Geno and Letang to come back at a discount and hopefully you can squeeze in one more high-end player to help with depth. After that...ride off into the sunset and do your best.
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Gurglesons
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You have to look at these ratings in comparison to other prospect pools. Having a guy that is not a sure fire top pair D versus having players like Byram or Ty Smith makes it easy to understand why POJ is evaluated like he is.
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I mean, sure, but there's lots of sure-fire Top D guys that never ever even make it to 3rd pairing or are terrible when they're used above there. Ceci, for example. Or Morrow. Or Pouliot. Or.... shudder... JMFJ.
But again, why does POJ only have average skating and puck moving?
Gurglesons
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Because that’s what his larger sample size shows versus him having 5 good NHL games?
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I'm sorry, how does his sample size show average skating, for example? Or are we talking about his ceiling?
Gurglesons
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You’d have to talk to Pronman about that.
Do you disagree with this assessment though? Because this is what he said..
“I see a third-pair defenseman in the NHL, but if he popped and became a top-four guy, it wouldn’t shock me.”
Isn’t that where we all are at?
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