Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguin Salary Thread: TDL - 7 Days.....

[Peat]

The guy on Detroit I want is Vrana but that aint happening.

Isn't he injured anyway?

I'm actually procrastinating because someone killed themselves at my workplace today and I don't really feel like working.

That sucks, sorry to hear it.

 

[66-30-33]

Isn't he injured anyway?



That sucks, sorry to hear it.

Think so, he would fit right in.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you want to throw out on pace, that hurts Hagel because Hagel has never played in enough games in a season to even hit 30 points.

I mean, I agree. I think Hagel's catching lightning in a bottle this season. It'd be a mistake for a team in our position to grab him when our big need is a significant injection of offensive ability, not another probable 3rd liner for an astronomical price. Tampa can afford to throw caution to the wind because Hagel doesn't need to be exceptional for them. He'd have to be exceptional for us, and I don't think he is in any facet of the game.

Like Boeser; I'm not real high on, but at the very least he brings an absurdly dangerous shot. We're not gonna find a perfect pick up. Boeser's not very fast and kinda bad defensively, but we have all the swiss army knife guys in the world to play opposite him and handle all the grunt work. If he has the hockey IQ to find the soft spots on the ice and utilize his shot, that'd be a boon. Not sure I'd pay anything around the price Hagel got though.

 

[Turin]

I guess we all can agree that our FO is doing shit after seeing these prices for players lol….

Not necessarily

 

[66-30-33]

Hey Colorado do you mind trading Manson to the Pens?

 

[Gurglesons]

@Peat and @66-30-33 I believe vrana is back.

Yeah he's played their last 5 games.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't even know what the Pens should do, to be honest. Standing pat sucks shit and pretty much dooms an already extreme long-shot to do anything in the playoffs. We're 100% losing at least one of Rust and Letang this summer--potentially both if Letang wants to test the FA waters and Montreal has the chance to talk to his camp/offer their absurd contract. Pretty much the last go 'round.

It'd be boring and all that, but I'd probably begrudgingly understand if we stood pat and tried to swing a bigger deal in the off-season or at the draft. Prices are always obnoxious at the TDL and when relatively nondescript guys are fetching multiple 1sts and decent prospects, you probably gotta back off and look to make a move in the off-season at that point. I'd be fine throwing the kitchen sink at a legit gamechanger, but I don't know if any are available, and I don't think our "kitchen sink" is anything close to what other teams could pony up. As much as it'd suck to punt on probably the final hurrah of the era, it's whatever.

 

[Gurglesons]

This is a perspective more GMs need to understand.

 

[66-30-33]

I don't even know what the Pens should do, to be honest. Standing pat sucks shit and pretty much dooms an already extreme long-shot to do anything in the playoffs. We're 100% losing at least one of Rust and Letang this summer--potentially both if Letang wants to test the FA waters and Montreal has the chance to talk to his camp/offer their absurd contract. Pretty much the last go 'round.

It'd be boring and all that, but I'd probably begrudgingly understand if we stood pat and tried to swing a bigger deal in the off-season or at the draft. Prices are always obnoxious at the TDL and when relatively nondescript guys are fetching multiple 1sts and decent prospects, you probably gotta back off and look to make a move in the off-season at that point. I'd be fine throwing the kitchen sink at a legit gamechanger, but I don't know if any are available, and I don't think our "kitchen sink" is anything close to what other teams could pony up. As much as it'd suck to punt on probably the final hurrah of the era, it's whatever.

If I am Letang and have 3 cups already I am testing the market like Lindholm. Show Me The Money! careers are short, i'd go for the $$$.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If I am Letang and have 3 cups already I am testing the market like Lindholm. Show Me The Money! careers are short, i'd go for the $$$.

Pretty much. You have an extremely finite window to cash in as much as absolutely possible when it comes to professional sports. I know he's not hurting for cash by any means, but the difference between $7.5 million AAV for three year here, and $9.5 million AAV for four or five years in Montreal is pretty staggering. You're not talking a difference of $2 million a season, you're talking like double the total dollars.

Letang would be a dipshit to prioritize his friendship with Sid and Geno over that kind of monetary difference. Like you said, he's got his Cups, he's got his memories and legacy. Ride off into the sunset in your Brinks truck full of gold bars. I think he's at least seriously considering going to the open market or else he'd already have re-signed. In Geno's case, I think he's a lifer and the fact that his deal hasn't been signed doesn't mean nearly as much because it's a foregone conclusion.

(Fwiw, I think both Geno and Letang stick around, for better or worse. I'm not super stoked about paying Letang the kinda money he'll command with how bad he's been this last little bit.)

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is a perspective more GMs need to understand.

Seeing this thought makes me more willing to trade a 1st if it means the Penguins will get a pick back.

Kapanen, POJ and a 1st for Garland and a 3rd may seem like an overpayment on paper, but you're maintaining the same amount of draft picks while using an expendable piece to upgrade at RW. That is better than trading Kapanen, POJ and a 2nd for Garland, even if that package is less valuable.

 

[Peat]

This is a perspective more GMs need to understand.

1) Until GMs agree on this, it's not true because the 1st has a lot more trade value, and so will the player picked with it.

2) I'm dubious on the idea from raw talent alone. Pick 32 is usually worth 2.7 GSVA over the first 7 seasons by the Athletic's model; pick 99 is worth 0.5. Schuckers' work from back in the day has pick 32 as worth 2.4 times more than pick 99, which is less than the Athletic version but not exactly small. I can't find other value charts right now but from memory they say roughly the same thing.

Yeah, Tampa usually pick great late and haven't killed it with their last 1sts so this probably works out okay for them... but for most teams, probably not so much.

 

[66-30-33]

Pretty much. You have an extremely finite window to cash in as much as absolutely possible when it comes to professional sports. I know he's not hurting for cash by any means, but the difference between $7.5 million AAV for three year here, and $9.5 million AAV for four or five years in Montreal is pretty staggering. You're not talking a difference of $2 million a season, you're talking like double the total dollars.

Letang would be a dipshit to prioritize his friendship with Sid and Geno over that kind of monetary difference. Like you said, he's got his Cups, he's got his memories and legacy. Ride off into the sunset in your Brinks truck full of gold bars. I think he's at least seriously considering going to the open market or else he'd already have re-signed. In Geno's case, I think he's a lifer and the fact that his deal hasn't been signed doesn't mean nearly as much because it's a foregone conclusion.

(Fwiw, I think both Geno and Letang stick around, for better or worse. I'm not super stoked about paying Letang the kinda money he'll command with how bad he's been this last little bit.)

I think he stays but I am not Letang. I don't care much about loyalty to a job if I can get a pay increase on another job, i'll take that job especially if the company (team) throws me a blank check. Gotta think about yourself and your future.

 

[Pengu]

Hagel has a cap hit of 1.5 miilion for 2.5 more seasons. That is INSANE value.
Boeser has a qualifying offer of at least 7.5 million in the summer. I know which play I'd prefer...

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think he stays but I am not Letang. I don't care much about loyalty to a job if I can get a pay increase on another job, i'll take that job especially if the company (team) throws me a blank check. Gotta think about yourself and your future.

Pretty much. f*** loyalty to bosses, and the whole comradery thing about practicing/playing with your boys every day ain't worth $30 million.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Marek and Friedman briefly suggest Nick Leddy could be a late target. But Friedman echoes something Seravalli said earlier today, which is that the Penguins like the chemistry and the sum of their parts and don't just want to tinker.

 

[66-30-33]

Marek and Friedman briefly suggest Nick Leddy could be a late target. But Friedman echoes something Seravalli said earlier today, which is that the Penguins like the chemistry and the sum of their parts and don't just want to tinker.

No no no tinker tinker.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Penguins targeting a defenseman that can move makes about 0 sense and I don't see how Friedman thinks it makes any sense.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

And this video from February

 

[66-30-33]

Paul will probably go to Tampa or Florida.

 

[Turin]

Marek and Friedman briefly suggest Nick Leddy could be a late target. But Friedman echoes something Seravalli said earlier today, which is that the Penguins like the chemistry and the sum of their parts and don't just want to tinker.

Is that saying they’d rather swing for the fences or is that saying they’d rather do nothing?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Florida and Colorado are battling it out to finalize a deal for Giroux, which I hope Fletch f***s up.

No idea what happens to Paul. I think he's a guy you land in addition to a bigger offensive weapon if you're the Pens. On a team with offensive guys covered, he could be a nice depth guy I guess. No real interest in Paul if he's the only real move we make though, none whatsoever.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Is that saying they’d rather swing for the fences or is that saying they’d rather do nothing?

Basically they're not going to make a move just to make a move. It's either a move that fits a very specific need/desire or nothing.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Alright, I've stopped giving a shit about scanning twitter for rumors/trades. Hopefully something good falls into our laps, because I don't want Hextall to really go out there and try to throw his weight around with the kind of players available and the going rates for some of these dummies. Not that I expect he would, but y'know.

Gearing up for one final "what could possibly go wrong" playoff appearance with all our eggs in the GCR+Jarry basket again. Hell yeah, brother.

 

[Turin]

Basically they're not going to make a move just to make a move. It's either a move that fits a very specific need/desire or nothing.

Preferable to Jimmy’s last couple deadlines