He might play physically but he is still too small to make enough impact especially playing with a center that isn't know for boardwork. Maybe When Sundqvist comes over if Arco continues to produce points, but even that's questionable since he was putting up 3rd line numbers on a second line in Edm.
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He might play physically but he is still too small to make enough impact especially playing with a center that isn't know for boardwork. Maybe When Sundqvist comes over if Arco continues to produce points, but even that's questionable since he was putting up 3rd line numbers on a second line in Edm.
I mean, Perron was putting up 2nd/3rd line numbers in Edmonton as well, but that was a lot due to the cluster**** that Edmonton was. I don't really put any stock into negatives from Edmonton, I'm just impressed that he can produce that much in that **** storm.
The only think preventing him from being a legit top-9 forward is his size, and if he was 6'3" and 210 lbs, he'd be a 2nd line center.
That very well may be true but unless he magicall grows he will never be that. Im not doubting his hockey skills just how effective they will be here. I mean he was playing with Perron and only put up 3rd line numbers. Now playing in that ***** show didn't help but im just not convinced that he is good enough to put up consistent points on the 3rd line or that he is big enough for it to matter.
But why put Comeau on the 4th line when he was one of our better players before the injury? That's crazy to put him below Arcobello when Arcobello hasn't even played a game here yet.
Sutter needs a playmaker to be not completely inept offensively. Arcobello is our best playmaking winger after Perron and Bennett. It's not hard to understand. That line needs a playmaker like Arcobello more than it needs another grinder like Comeau.
Anyway, size is really overrated. A guy who's 6'4" and 220 lbs with 50 hits is no more physical than a 5'8", 170 lbs winger with 50 hits. And unless that line is going against Chara (since it's a 3rd line, it shouldn't be), that shouldn't be an issue. If he managed to put up 3rd line numbers on a cluster**** team in a bigger and more defensive conference, I don't see why he can't do that here.
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Well he is a third liner though. He's been waived from two teams because he's small, basically. Not because he can't play the game.
Every single NHL team wants big players. If a guy is small and produces well, they can over look a small stature. Arcobello produces, but not big enough numbers to force teams to ignore his size. So it kind of puts him in no mans land
If Arcobello was 4-5 inches bigger and 15-20 lbs heavier, he would be considered a pretty good young player. Just how it is.
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I agree that size is overrated to some extent, but I'm quite certain you'd notice a distinct difference in physicality being hit by a 220 lb'r vs a 170 lb'r.
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Yep.. you just explained the careers of guys like Jason Krog, Brett Sterling, Chris Conner, Brian Gibbons, Darren Haydar, Chris Bourque.. etc.
Amazing AHL'ers, just not any good at the NHL level for the reasons you outlined.
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That actually depends. Ive played with some smaller guys who hit twice as hard as a guy 4-5" taller and more than 40lbs heavier. Hitting is a technique. Also, if you have a guy like Pyatt, who doesn't seem to like hitting, just kinda rubbing a player out, that doesn't do a lot
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I think Arcobello has more than proven that he can play at the NHL level. It's just going to be a matter of prejudice working agt him and if he can keep overcoming that. He's more talented than the last couple of big guys the Pens had in here with Kinkhammer and Pyatt. However, it takes a lot for coaches and GM to see past size issues.
Bigger guys are given more leeway than the smaller guys and it's been that way since before most of us were born in this game and many other sports.
My wife's friend, her son is a hell of a hockey player, but he kept getting cut because he was too small. Eventhough he was better than most of the kids on the ice. He hit a big growth spurt last year, and now all of these coaches want him on their team. Sad, but just how it goes.
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The way some people are reacting to a waiver wire pickup you'd think this kid played real life ****, marry, kill with their grandmother, mother and sister.
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Ebbett placed on waivers, i'm sure he will clear, i guess the pens are going to go with 12 forwards and 6 def for now.
It looks like our roster will basically be finalized once Comeau and Hornqvist get back then, maybe something small at the deadline to bring in a depth D. Sill and either Adams or Arcobello as the extra forward (I'm hoping Adams), with probably Bortuzzo as the #7.
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I don't really get some of the distain.
Yeah, sure... I'd prefer they get bigger and meaner. But only if that big meanness is attached to players who can actually, you know... play the sport. That's rare. Arcobello is a midget... but is also a pretty decent hockey player. You don't have to be a hulking monster to derail the other team's shift.
It's hardly an earth shattering move. But I think it's good low risk one. If he doesn't pan out... oh well. No harm done -- it's not like he's holding anyone back and, in fact, MIGHT actually force a certain someone out if the dice fall favorably.
Yeah, sure... I'd prefer they get bigger and meaner. But only if that big meanness is attached to players who can actually, you know... play the sport. That's rare. Arcobello is a midget... but is also a pretty decent hockey player. You don't have to be a hulking monster to derail the other team's shift.
It's hardly an earth shattering move. But I think it's good low risk one. If he doesn't pan out... oh well. No harm done -- it's not like he's holding anyone back and, in fact, MIGHT actually force a certain someone out if the dice fall favorably.
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Aren't you downplaying him a LITTLE? (pun(ny) intended). He's got 8 goals, how much does Vanek has? For 10 times le$$ i'll take him over Thomas anyday, and there ain't any cap risk.
He'll get better support here.
And the goal i saw in this thread from him... Pure marksmanship.
But hey, if you don't like him... No problemo amigo.
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Mark Arcobello - 5'8" + 172 pounds.
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476062
Martin St. Louis - 5'8" + 176 pounds.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=18067
Just saying.
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476062
Martin St. Louis - 5'8" + 176 pounds.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=18067
Just saying.
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Similar type career arcs so far.
Though St Louis' lower league stats are a lot more impressive. If Acro can be 1/2 the player MSL is I'll be a happy fan.
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I understand the point. But for every St. Louis success story there are a few hundred washouts.
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I have zero expectations of him being another St. Louis. Zero. That is a one in a million deal.
However I am addressing the size thing.
This guy is not a wild card, he already has shown that he can produce in the NHL. Like St. Louis? Of course not. But for nothing, we do not need him to.
The entire point is that he is what he is, and that is better than maybe 20% of our current lineup. And better than at least a couple of our completely healthy lineup.
Not speculation.
Not projection.
Not OMG, look what he did in the AHL.
Right now, as is.
He has proven to be a legit NHL player who will produce.
That really is all that needs to be said.
My point is that im going to keep his production totals (which look ok for a 3rd liner) in doubt because he hasn't been getting those numbers on a third line.
As far as Perron goes with in that pairing im going to go out on a limb and say Perron probably inflated Arcos numbers and Arco probably held Perrons back. One is without question the superior talent.
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