Erndog
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I don’t see AP signing in TO at all.
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I don’t see AP signing in TO at all.
And there's teams that can match that and roll quality lines after that.
That's fair, but you could also look at it as Toronto having higher quality players in their top 6 to overcome some of that, depending on how you feel about Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Benn, Seguin, Radulov, etc.
We will see.
So you think that poster's idea for Toronto's bottom six looks like something that could lead to a Cup?
I'm not moving the goalposts at all. You said Dallas has Benn and Cogliano up the middle and can build quality lines around them. That's simply not true, as both are wingers for Dallas. If you wanted to make a case that they could fill in at center if necessary, then so can Nylander. All taking faceoffs is an indication of is that Benn is good at it. A center has more duties than just being good at faceoffs. Nylander would regularly take faceoffs on his strong side with Matthews last season. He had 315 faceoffs at 5v5 in 54 games, Benn had 292 in 69 games this year. Would you argue that Nylander was a center last year?
I watched Corey Perry, Blake Comeau, Andrew Cogliano, Jason Dickinson, and Mattias Janmark skate around to a 1-0 series lead in the SC finals...
Ya darn Effing right I can see a crappy bottom 6 win a cup as long as they have other pieces in place around the rest of the roster.
I don’t see AP signing in TO at all.
If you truly believe Dallas' bottom six is "crappy" I don't know what to tell you. Especially when it's in comparison to a proposed bottom six that literally has 3 unproven rookies, a terrible 4th liner, another 4th liner, and Mikheyev being the only guy who has shown any sort of top 9 talent out of the bunch.
He's likely going to find the best possible deal and then bring it back to St.Louis to match. Kind of like an offer sheet.
And it's not the Leafs that will be the biggest bidder.
I'm certain there's another team that will go all out and give him a massive deal. That's what Blues fans have to worry about, not what the Leafs are going to offer.
I watched Corey Perry, Blake Comeau, Andrew Cogliano, Jason Dickinson, and Mattias Janmark skate around to a 1-0 series lead in the SC finals...
Ya darn Effing right I can see a crappy bottom 6 win a cup as long as they have other pieces in place around the rest of the roster.
I don't know that a team's bottom 6 has ever led them to a cup, and I would hope the Leafs aren't counting on building one that does. all that matters is the quality of the team as a whole, and getting hot at the right time. In general it's not good to have massively weak areas, but I think the Leafs should be able to take advantage of the current financial climate to build a cheap and at least passable bottom 6. If that doesn't work, I guess they would have to finally trade a star forward but things are likely trending that way anyway if they can't find a way to winSo you think that poster's idea for Toronto's bottom six looks like something that could lead to a Cup?
As opposed to a bottom six composed of some players that arguably shouldn’t be in the NHL now? I’ve seen lineups posted with Gauthier as the third line center!Yeah, that's an all world bottom 6 right there.
A handful of guys that wont be in the NHL in 2 seasons.
I don't know that a team's bottom 6 has ever led them to a cup, and I would hope the Leafs aren't counting on building one that does. all that matters is the quality of the team as a whole, and getting hot at the right time. In general it's not good to have massively weak areas, but I think the Leafs should be able to take advantage of the current financial climate to build a cheap and at least passable bottom 6. If that doesn't work, I guess they would have to finally trade a star forward but things are likely trending that way anyway if they can't find a way to win
Not only do the top teams need depth scoring from the bottom six they also need guys who can temporarily move into the top 6 to cover for injuries to top players. You never make it through the grind of the playoffs without injuries. A team with weak depth like that would be moving one of those over the hill vets or b prospects into a top six role. I mean the lineup already includes untested rookie Nick Robertson pencilled into the top six which might or might not work.But the bolded isn't really the argument. The argument is a weak bottom six can prevent a team from winning the Cup because it provides next to zero support for the top six, not that a bottom six can "lead a team to a Cup".
Like I said earlier in the thread, I can't think of a team that won the Cup recently that had a bad bottom six filled with cast-offs and retreads making league minimum. It just doesn't happen because teams need depth scoring from all lines to go deep. The top heavy teams run into problems after round 1 and 2.
Teams can get away with maybe their 12th forward being sub-par or maybe their 4th line being a defensive line with almost no offense, but I can't think of a Cup winner whose 3rd and 4th lines were essentially made up of over the hill veterans who are a shadow of their former selves and unproven b-level prospects.
Well we have won 4 cup and been to the finals and lost 2 more times in the period since Tor last one won, so yes we can safely say that..... not sure an Edmonton fan is the one who should be making this comment lol.
Them getting Pietrangelo would sink their team's payroll. It's illogical. Year by year the team would continue to watch players leave the organization, being replaced by guys making close to league minimum.
In all honesty, their roster needs a total retool next season if their play is to run Matthews and Tavares 1-2 during the flat cap. They need to shed one of the big contracts and they need to improve the pool of ELCs coming in to provide them with good cheap depth moving forward. As it stands their outlook is iffy the way their roster currently sits with no long-term answer in goal and a defense not particularly good at defending.
Toronto hasn't gotten out of the first round with those top six forwards even WITH depth in their bottom six behind them, but those top six forwards will somehow carry the team 4 rounds deep with even less support behind them?
Pietrangelo would definitely bolster the blueline, but I still don't see any team with that many question marks in the bottom six (assuming the hypothetical moving of all of Kapanen, Johnsson and Kerfoot and replacing them with cheap UFA bargain bin guys or unproven B or C-level prospects) challenging for a Cup.
What have you done for me lately?Well we have won 4 cup and been to the finals and lost 2 more times in the period since Tor last one won, so yes we can safely say that.
I know you think you have a point but you have no point, how many Dallas stars have won a championship? I can think of 1 guy, Seguin anf he had VERY little to do with it.
How many in Tampa have won a championship? again I can think of 1 guy, Patrick Maroon
I'm sure are more but there aren't many
Toronto hasn't gotten out of the first round with those top six forwards even WITH depth in their bottom six behind them, but those top six forwards will somehow carry the team 4 rounds deep with even less support behind them?
Pietrangelo would definitely bolster the blueline, but I still don't see any team with that many question marks in the bottom six (assuming the hypothetical moving of all of Kapanen, Johnsson and Kerfoot and replacing them with cheap UFA bargain bin guys or unproven B or C-level prospects) challenging for a Cup.
I was more discussing the ages where Pronger and Chara had their highest degrees of success. You are really backing up my premise that Pietrangelo will be a driving force for the majority of his 30’s for which ever team he signs with. There has been a lot of talk of how a 7 year contract would be an anchor on a team and I think we both agree that in his case this is not likely.
So you think that poster's idea for Toronto's bottom six looks like something that could lead to a Cup?