Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"

[Phil Parent]

Another interesting info:
According to a contractor at the Old Colisee in Quebec City, the Remparts' dressing room has been demolished last week to be upgraded to NHL standards.

Well, well That info is sure getting around heh? ;-)

 

[Matrix78]

Campbell's article: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/52287-Will-the-Coyotes-move-to-Seattle-this-summer.html

the dome is a possibility ?? lol
wow

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/12/20/2410138/nba-nhl-in-tacoma-not-likely-at.html

Improbable. Unrealistic. Doubtful. Dubious.
[...]
Modernizing the Dome still wouldn’t come cheaply. A full-scale renovation would cost an estimated $184 million
[...]

 

[madhi19]

It a clear click bait article we should stop mentioning Ken and the THN for now on. I mean come on that Eklund level of click baiting.

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

Also lurking in the background is a group led by Chicago-based investor Matthew Hulsizer and former Tampa Bay Lightning co-owner Oren Koules

I would hope the NHL wouldn't legitimately be dumb enough to sell to either of them. (Didn't Koules have issues?)

Use them to drive up a price, sure. Other than that, screw them both.

 

[Mightygoose]

Apparently, Mr. Campbell missed the part that the new Seattle arena cannot break ground without an NBA team as per the MOU with Hansen's group. I don't see amendments being made in the next week or so. I guess he'll be surprised since the Seattle Coyotes will not be staking this fall.

 

[Brodie]

Also lurking in the background is a group led by Chicago-based investor Matthew Hulsizer and former Tampa Bay Lightning co-owner Oren Koules

yeah, but he said they were looking to keep the team in Phoenix

 

[Gump Hasek]

I'm staying all alone out on the limb and am sticking with my long-held guess that, sans a deal in Glendale, the league will likely suspend franchise operations for a year and rebirth them elsewhere versus a snap relocation done under the gun. Carry on.

 

[madhi19]

Apparently, Mr. Campbell missed the part that the new Seattle arena cannot break ground without an NBA team as per the MOU with Hansen's group. I don't see amendments being made in the next week or so. I guess he'll be surprised since the Seattle Coyotes will not be staking this fall.

More to the point it won't magically appear out of tin air! Where do you play until it build.

 

[Brodie]

Apparently, Mr. Campbell missed the part that the new Seattle arena cannot break ground without an NBA team as per the MOU with Hansen's group. I don't see amendments being made in the next week or so. I guess he'll be surprised since the Seattle Coyotes will not be staking this fall.

meh, that's the least of seattle's issues. once the team is there, the amendment would be simple. 5 years at the Tacoma Dome would be a much bigger problem

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

Hulsizer has 0 interest in actual hockey.

Which should be a red flag by itself.

 

[Brodie]

Campbell's article boils down to what we all knew already... that the NHL would rather be in Seattle than Quebec by several degrees.

 

[rt]

Hulsizer has 0 interest in actual hockey.

Which should be a red flag by itself.

You make no sense at all.

 

[Habidelidoo]

I'm staying all alone out on the limb and am sticking with my long-held guess that, sans a deal in Glendale, the league will likely suspend franchise operations for a year and rebirth them elsewhere versus a snap relocation done under the gun. Carry on.

Yeah sure, NHLPA will agree to that...

 

[rt]

Does the league want to tangle with the PA on contraction when there is a viable option in QC?

I doubt that.

As for today's presser, it's tough to get a read on it.

The NHL is either trying to put pressure on CoG to cough up the current difference in AMF or the NHL is setting CoG up to take the blame.

I think too much is made of the NHL's desire to control optics. I don't think the league would be viewed negatively anywhere outside of the valley if they were to relocate to Quebec. I think it'd mostly be positive press.

There is always the concern that this may negatively impact the willingness of local government to subsidize arena construction. The thing is, that impact would likely only be felt in non traditional markets. All of those markets already have new-ish arenas. When new barns need building in the sunbelt, it will be a decade from now. This fiasco will be long forgotten.

 

[checkerdome]

Campbell's article: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/52287-Will-the-Coyotes-move-to-Seattle-this-summer.html

This article seems contradictory.

On the one hand Ken Campbell writes:

"According to a source, there are a couple of kinks in that plan. The first is, Key Arena has taken out its ice-making equipment and cemented over the chilling system in the floor. That would leave the Tacoma Dome, which is about 30 miles south of Seattle, as a possibility. The other is that Chris Hansen, the San Francisco-based hedge fund manager who is building the new arena, is not a hockey fan, but would be amenable to having the hockey team as a second tenant in the building after a basketball team."

which would appear to be in contradiction with his conclusion which reads:

"So it seems inevitable the team will move, doesn’t it? And don’t be the least bit surprised if the Seattle Coyotes are skating to a sold out Key Arena next fall."

It's almost as if the article was clumsily edited at the last minute.

 

[Llama19]

Hulsizer has 0 interest in actual hockey.

Which should be a red flag by itself.

But, but...

"Buying a hockey team is like buying a piece of art," he (Matthew Hulsizer) said. "You don't do it to make a lot of money. You do it because you love it.""

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/2010/10/19/20101019glendale-phoenix-coyotes-buyerr-oral-agreement.html

 

[RAgIn]

Another interesting info:
According to a contractor at the Old Colisee in Quebec City, the Remparts' dressing room has been demolished last week to be upgraded to NHL standards.

So essentially, expansion is happening very soon or that the Coyotes are relocating to Quebec City this fall. The latter seems more realistic.

 

[BnGBear1970]

The NHL is either trying to put pressure on CoG to cough up the current difference in AMF or the NHL is setting CoG up to take the blame.

Can't it be both? Attempting to coerce the GCC into dissolving the RFP process in favor of a sole-source contract might be their primary goal, but knowing now how unlikely that is, today's statement might just be a set-up to Bettman's "well, we tried" speech post Final.

 

[Whileee]

The NHL can say whatever they want, including Gary's disingenuous concerns about the city. The squeeze play from Moody's is of much greater concern for Glendale. An AMF that impairs the General Fund is going to be a tough sell. And anything over $6MM is a GF impairment.

Exactly. I think the die is cast. Glendale just can't afford an AMF beyond $6 million without serious financial harm. The NHL has not been able to find an ownership group willing to purchase the team and keep them in Glendale without a much higher level of subsidy.

It's astonishingly inept that the NHL let Jamison fritter away a $300 million subsidy that was in hand, without bringing in a fresh ownership group to take advantage. If RSE was an option, the NHL should have told Jamison to paint or get off the ladder. Ironically, Jamison's failure to pull the trigger might have torpedoed the last best opportunity to get a subsidy enticing enough to facilitate a local sale.

 

[Mightygoose]

meh, that's the least of seattle's issues. once the team is there, the amendment would be simple. 5 years at the Tacoma Dome would be a much bigger problem

Perhaps. There was an interview with Hansen last month showing he's flexible to having the NHL first. However, the NHL owner (weather it's Levin or somewhere else) would need to put some $$$ up front for arena costs. Otherwise, Hansen/Ballmer is putting a lot of their own money up front without any current guarantee of an NBA team.

 

[cbcwpg]

Yeah sure, NHLPA will agree to that...

The NHLPA may not be happy about the Coyotes folding or suspending, but they have no say in the matter. The NHL constitution covers liquidating the assets ( players ) of a team in the case a franchise no longer has an owner and a new one can't be found. And even if there is another owner in another city, it's the BoG that has the say on franchise location, not the NHLPA.

any liquidation of players contracts shall be conducted by a dispersal draft under such procedures as voted on by a three quarter vote.

 

[Slashers98]

The NHLPA may not be happy about the Coyotes folding or suspending, but they have no say in the matter. The NHL constitution covers liquidating the assets ( players ) of a team in the case a franchise no longer has an owner and a new one can't be found.

any liquidation of players contracts shall be conducted by a dispersal draft under such procedures as voted on by a three quarter vote.

Contraction is an even dumber option than moving that team to Seattle. Stop the madness.

 

[cbcwpg]

Contraction is an even dumber option than moving that team to Seattle. Stop the madness.

Hey, I'm not saying its a good idea nor that it will happen. I'm just pointing out that people are incorrect if they think the NHLPA has a say in it.

 

[madhi19]

The NHLPA may not be happy about the Coyotes folding or suspending, but they have no say in the matter. The NHL constitution covers liquidating the assets ( players ) of a team in the case a franchise no longer has an owner and a new one can't be found.

any liquidation of players contracts shall be conducted by a dispersal draft under such procedures as voted on by a three quarter vote.

Forget the PA with the cap shrinking no way the BOG okay a folding. Especially since they be on the hook for the debt and the interest on their credit line.

 

[HockeyAddict]

Phoenix LXXXIII: Long Road to Ruin

Here now, don't make a sound
Say, have you heard the news today?
One flag was taken down
To raise another in its place

A heavy cross you bear
A stubborn heart remains unchanged
No harm, no life, no love
No stranger singin' in your name

But maybe the season
The colors change in the valley skies
Dear God, I've sealed my fate
Runnin' through hell, heaven can wait