Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"

[Major4Boarding]

"It was Fortress Investments which pulled its funding for the Phoenix Coyotes – which were forced to have their debt refinanced by the Michael Dell-controlled hedge fund SOF Investments."

http://www.thesportmarket.biz/archives/podiumnews_100122_3.htm

Ah, thank you for that Hawker

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

Funny thing all of these reports of 'Seattle is ready' , 'CoG and RSE are only 5 million apart' and 'Hulsizer is interested still' have all resurfaced hours after Bettman and Daly's sabre-rattling. Though not a peep on any of these fronts before today.

The league has their media pipers in full force.

Bettman probably told Balsille that if he pretends to be interested right now he'll think about letting him back in.

 

[barneyg]

If the name sounds familiar, that’s because Fortress has been a large Coyotes creditor in the past.

Question. If Fortress was a large Coyotes creditor in the past, is it possible that they are getting involved again because they weren't made whole during the bankruptcy and they are still owed money? And this is the only way they might get it back? Could be totally wrong, but just wondering.

Assuming they lost money before, they can't get their pre-2009 money back from RSE.

But if you're implying that the league "owes them one" for some reason, so the NHL let Fortress in on the deal with a higher interest rate than "normal", who knows, maybe. I wouldn't put $120 million in new money into the Coyotes just to have a shot at "getting my money back". If they're in it, it's because they think the deal makes sense for them, regardless of whether they lost money before with the same franchise but a different owner.

 

[Phil Parent]

We want 30 secure franchises before considering expansion - Bettman on RDS.

That's the only thing of mention he said.

 

[Mightygoose]

Bettman probably told Balsille that if he pretends to be interested right now he'll think about letting him back in.

Lol. Then Balsille can give give Bettman a friendly math lesson 212.5 > 170.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Key Arena dates, that were being held for an NBA team, have been freed up. Not being held for any other reason
-Deborah Daoust spokesperson for Key Arena

Chris Daniels‏@ChrisDaniels5
Deborah Daoust spokesperson for Seattle Center, says ice making equipment and chilling system at #KeyArena is still operational. #NHL

 

[Confucius]

We want 30 secure franchises before considering expansion - Bettman on RDS.

That's the only thing of mention he said.

So the league will never expand...

 

[Phil Parent]

Chris Daniels‏@ChrisDaniels5
Deborah Daoust spokesperson for Seattle Center, says ice making equipment and chilling system at #KeyArena is still operational. #NHL

Still an horrible arena.

 

[Wheathead]

Chris Daniels‏@ChrisDaniels5
Deborah Daoust spokesperson for Seattle Center, says ice making equipment and chilling system at #KeyArena is still operational. #NHL

Operational, yeah... NHL appropriate? No.

 

[sipowicz]

Renauld Lavoie just said the same thing on TV.. 100% sure the team lands in Seattle..


I guess that's what the NHL said to their mouth pieces.

Seattle alright , the NHL has to have it's minions say something like that or PKP and Quebec City dictate relocation procedure to the NHL and not the other way around.

 

[Slashers98]

Operational, yeah... NHL appropriate? No.

The seating capacity at Key Arena is 11,000 fans for hockey... = massive losses.

 

[Donwood]

Key arena will hold only 11,000 for hockey according to Chris Daniels - Seattle sports reporter

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

I would imagine the NHL also doesn't want to blow up its scheduled re-alignment by putting another team in the East.

Agrred, that's what makes QC so unlikely to me. They don't necessarily have to go to Seattle, though. Really, anywhere outside of the Eastern time zone could work, though if it's somewhere in the Central time zone, the league would likely have to move Colorado into Phoenix's spot in the "Pacific Division" to make room.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Still an horrible arena.

Operational, yeah... NHL appropriate? No.

Just posting the tweet that preceded the one Donwood posted, and kinda runs opposite of Campbell's "source".

Don't shoot the messenger

 

[Wheathead]

Just posting the tweet that preceded the one Donwood posted, and kinda runs opposite of Campbell's "source".

Don't shoot the messenger

I'll shoot whom I please!


.. no infractions please.

Seriously though, the ice in the Key was garbage for the WHL.

 

[wunderpanda]

Key arena will hold only 11,000 for hockey according to Chris Daniels - Seattle sports reporter

Daniels was less than accurate during the Sacramento NBA situation. A lot like Fallar, letting hometown pride obscure facts and reason.

 

[Stanley Cup]

Phoenix LXXXIII: Stuff's Gonna Happen

Haha. Gets my vote

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Hmmm?

https://twitter.com/sonicsarena/status/344991536305537028

Sonics Arena ‏@sonicsarena 50m
Back to work.

Last tweet before that was June 5th.

 

[Undertakerqc]

Agrred, that's what makes QC so unlikely to me. They don't necessarily have to go to Seattle, though. Really, anywhere outside of the Eastern time zone could work, though if it's somewhere in the Central time zone, the league would likely have to move Colorado into Phoenix's spot in the "Pacific Division" to make room.

The NHL wont chose a market because of its geographical location. They will chose it for its quality. They can remake the conference instead of going in a deadbeat market.

 

[Ugmo]

Agrred, that's what makes QC so unlikely to me. They don't necessarily have to go to Seattle, though. Really, anywhere outside of the Eastern time zone could work, though if it's somewhere in the Central time zone, the league would likely have to move Colorado into Phoenix's spot in the "Pacific Division" to make room.

If I remember correctly, Bill Daly said during the presser today that they would reconsider the alignment if the Coyotes moved to Quebec City. The alignment is a non-issue with regard to where the Coyotes move.

 

[JimAnchower]

Hulsizer has 0 interest in actual hockey.

Which should be a red flag by itself.

Hulsizer has $0. Let's start with that.

 

[Antidote]

This is over a year old and has been posted a few times in different threads but it outlines the challenges of using Key Arena.

 

[Donwood]

Colorado=Pacific
Quebec-Mid West, Not great but the jets had two years in the south east

 

[Donwood]

Hulsizer has $0. Let's start with that.

Maybe he could sell his Coyotes jersey

 

[MNNumbers]

Concerning re-alignment:

A few thoughts:

Realignment in general has been a 'fly by the seat of your pants' operation. Those of us who followed the different options the Bettman put out, first in 2011, and then the process this year, are aware that there is no 'grand plan.' It's 30 competing sets of priorities, and who can put together the coalition to get what they want.

Then, it is clear from the Winnipeg situation that the NHL is not overly worried about 'geographical propriety.' This is not to say they shouldn't be. Rather, they aren't.

Then, let's consider PHX >> QUE. Now, 17 teams in the ETZ. 13 in the other 3 TZs. Obviously, someone is going to have to play out of zone.

Also, consider that COL in the Far West division actually would have more division-mates in their time zone than they do playing in the CTZ division. So, clearly, no big deal for COL to be with the PTZ/MTZ teams.

Can you really imagine PKP or anyone in Quebec screaming very loud at the prospect of playing mostly in the CTZ? I can't. Not ideal, of course. But, it would make the 2 MONT/QUE games real battles, wouldn't it?

Conclusion: For temporary (and remember the PA has reserved rights of review in a few years on the realignment anyway, so everything is temporary), COL goes to the Far West, and QUE plays in the Midwest division.

Again, not perfect, but also just fine.