Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"

[CasualFan]

Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"



Link to last thread: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1439601

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[kdb209]

The new Phone Book Thread List is here!
The new Phone Book Thread List is here!

Boy, I wish I could get that excited about nothing.

Nothing? Are you kidding? Page 73 - Johnson, Navin R.! Thread LXXXII - Title, Waive. We're somebody now! Millions Dozens of people look at this book board everyday! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. We're in print! Things are going to start happening to us now.

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?
06-01-2013 Phoenix LXXXI: I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday for Your Franchise Today!
06-08-2013 Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale
05-30-2013 Forbes: Phoenix Coyotes $170 Million Sale To Be Partially Funded By NHL
06-05-2013 4 firms submitted bids to run Jobing.com arena by deadline

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

 

[CasualFan]

None taken. Merely putting it "out there". I didnt see it myself, second hand from third hand information.... NDA n' all. Prolly better if you believe Im just makin it up anyway.

Not you, Killie. You never struck me as the kind of guy who would make stuff up. You use some crooked phrases but you always seem like a straight shooter.

But the second or third hand in that grapevine, that's almost certainly someone with a limited capacity.

 

[Killion]

But the second or third hand in that grapevine, that's almost certainly someone with a limited capacity.

Ya, see, thing is CF, it was an Attorney who shared with me. And their all of
pretty much "limited to diminishing capacities" the longer they practice right?

and this guy was old, experienced, mebbe too much experience huh?

 

[Major4Boarding]

Ya, see, thing is CF, it was an Attorney who shared with me. And their all of
pretty much "limited to diminishing capacities" the longer they practice right?

and this guy was old, experienced, mebbe too much experience huh?

In your defense, K, perhaps the genesis of things being askew was the prospectus itself.

 

[Killion]

In your defense, K, perhaps the genesis of things being askew was the prospectus itself.

... perhaps huh? Moot anyway as Major Jamisons' capsule burned up leaving Earths atmosphere on its way to the Moon but still. Not only were losses nowhere near as assumed according to my "source", apparently the thing was basically a tax accountants wet dream. Gives one some perspective as to what was going really going on, might still be to some degree. Impossible to be sure of without actually pursuing oneself & in doing so signing an NDA... well, Im not goin there. But I did/do trust the individual from whom I heard about it.

 

[barneyg]

... perhaps huh? Moot anyway as Major Jamisons' capsule burned up leaving Earths atmosphere on its way to the Moon but still. Not only were losses nowhere near as assumed according to my "source", apparently the thing was basically a tax accountants wet dream. Gives one some perspective as to what was going really going on, might still be to some degree. Impossible to be sure of without actually pursuing oneself & in doing so signing an NDA... well, Im not goin there. But I did/do trust the individual from whom I heard about it.

The NHL has always had an incentive to publicly overstate those losses pre-lockout. They may even have had an incentive to overstate the losses in the bill for 2010-11 -- with a council of clowns and Beasley on their side, maybe they thought there was no way the city would ask to see the team's books.

But surely the league had no incentive to overstate the team's losses for Jamison. I've seen no official claim to it, but people have been saying that the structure of Gosbee's deal is similar to Jamison's (Fortress+NHL+some equity). If $12-15M only covers the interest expense, what are the odds of the team breaking even soon? Why would Gosbee succeed if Jamison failed? The only upside to a potential Gosbee deal is a shorter non-relocation period, so if it succeeds, you can bet they'll use that out clause.

 

[Dado]

Ya, see, thing is CF, it was an Attorney who shared with me...
and this guy was old, experienced, mebbe too much experience huh?

Oh, well, then it's a good thing you didn't narrow down the possibilities on who the "source" might be...

 

[Killion]

Oh, well, then it's a good thing you didn't narrow down the possibilities on who the "source" might be...

... ahhh nope. Not that one, not he who's name shall not be spoken.

 

[Llama19]

Skating Around Open Meetings

The Arizona Republic produces local inserts for each city.

In today's Glendale Republic insert, this article -- Skating Around Open Meetings -- was on the front page and was written by Paul Giblin.

The article has been converted to PDF for your reading enjoyment.

 

[Donwood]

The Arizona Republic produces local inserts for each city.

In today's Glendale Republic insert, this article -- Skating Around Open Meetings -- was on the front page and was written by Paul Giblin.

The article has been converted to PDF for your reading enjoyment.

Interesting, Llama what's your opinion on whether or not a deal will get done with RSE?
Also could I have your permission to post the .pdf on the Jets forum?

 

[Killion]

....Skating Around Open Meetings.

Interesting & well written, researched, and to say the least, far from flattering. "Conniving" about right, and sure, absolutely, clearly & irrefutably in breach of Open Meeting Laws. So lets say a Citizen files a complaint with the Ombudsman's Offices. Whatre' we talking about here? The convening of some sort of quasi-legal hearing months from now, next year? Or does the Ombudsman Offices work with rapacious speed, just swoop down like a giant Thunderbird & haul them off one by one in its giant razor sharp talons way out into the Sonoran Desert somewhere. Dropping them off atop mesa plateau's to think about what theyve done before returning them to the streets of Glendale... Id kinda like to see that.... though I guess I just did, in my imagination, minds eye. Fun trip. Thanks Llama.

 

[Llama19]

Interesting, Llama what's your opinion on whether or not a deal will get done with RSE?
Also could I have your permission to post the .pdf on the Jets forum?

My take on RSE and CoG reaching a deal?

Slim to none.

You may re-post at will.

 

[Donwood]

My take on RSE and CoG reaching a deal?

Slim to none.

You may re-post at will.

Thank you, and thank you

 

[Llama19]

Interesting & well written, researched, and to say the least, far from flattering. "Conniving" about right, and sure, absolutely, clearly & irrefutably in breach of Open Meeting Laws. So lets say a Citizen files a complaint with the Ombudsman's Offices. Whatre' we talking about here? The convening of some sort of quasi-legal hearing months from now, next year? Or does the Ombudsman Offices work with rapacious speed, just swoop down like a giant Thunderbird & haul them off one by one in its giant razor sharp talons way out into the Sonoran Desert somewhere. Dropping them off atop mesa plateau's to think about what theyve done before returning them to the streets of Glendale... Id kinda like to see that.... though I guess I just did, in my imagination, minds eye. Fun trip. Thanks Llama.

From the Attorney General's web site:

How We Resolve Complaints

"After gathering the relevant evidence, the OMLET (Open Meeting Law Enforcement Team) member will work with the public body to reach a resolution of the case. The Office’s primary mission in enforcing the Open Meeting Law is to ensure compliance and educate the public and public officials about the requirements of the statute. Most cases are resolved with mandatory training and a term of monitoring in which an independent attorney ensures that the public body is complying with the Open Meeting Law. In serious cases, the OMLET member may seek a civil penalty of $500 per incident. If the public body refuses to reach an agreed resolution, the OMLET member may file suit in superior court seeking that the appropriate remedies be imposed by court order. If the evidence establishes that a public officer violated the Open Meeting Law with the intent to deprive the public of information, the OMLET member may seek to have the officer removed from office [emphasis mine]."

Unofficially, I like your scenario better...

 

[Killion]

... If the evidence establishes that a public officer violated the Open Meeting Law with the intent to deprive the public of information, the OMLET member may seek to have the officer removed from office"

Interesting, and do you know if this has ever actually happened in Arizona? This case certainly appears cut & dry.

 

[GF]

The Arizona Republic produces local inserts for each city.

In today's Glendale Republic insert, this article -- Skating Around Open Meetings -- was on the front page and was written by Paul Giblin.

The article has been converted to PDF for your reading enjoyment.

Thanks for that! It was a great read.

To me, it seems like it is written in order to bring Glendale citizens to wake up and ask some questions. It makes little doubt that the close door meeting (that was not a meeting, but a, cough cough, simple get together so people can get to know each other) was illegal according to the open meeting law. All of this story is so wrong.

The whole article sounds like a big wake up call. Will anyone answer?

 

[cbcwpg]

Sounds like some serious "splitting hairs" going on here in Glendale.

They meet in small groups to avoid the Open Meeting Law, yet they are telling people it wasn't really a meeting ( no agenda, no note taking, etc. ) so nobody should have any issues with it. So if it wasn't a meeting, why not get everyone together for coffee at the same time? Because according to the law, it was a meeting if so many people meet.

They are politicians and they are entrusted with spending the publics money, so that's why they have rules in place to be followed.

I guess if they "meet" in small groups, nothing could actually be decided, but it is a fine line. Me personally am not responsible for the public purse, but this happens all the time in private industry... The "meeting" before the real meeting. I have gone to coffee at Tim's to discuss $500,000 equipment purchases for my industry with vendors. We do this to hammer out the details without the big bosses involved ( bosses manage, they don't actually do any real work ) and then we have the real meeting with the bosses to finalize things based on the "informal" meeting. Saves everyone a lot of time and we get things done.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I predict that the members of the Beavis Pac are not going to agree with the premise of this Glendale Republic article and also suspect an article will soon be published by Faller suggesting that some sort of a counter conspiracy is clearly afoot.

 

[Donwood]

I predict that the members of the Beavis Pac are not going to agree with the premise of this Glendale Republic article and also suspect an article will soon be published by Faller suggesting that some sort of a counter conspiracy is clearly afoot.

I'd guarantee that will happen they don't have the ummm will to come here and debate the issues involved in this situation but writing blogs with a slanted point of view no problem,

 

[Llama19]

Interesting, and do you know if this has ever actually happened in Arizona? This case certainly appears cut & dry.

Not sure, but Arizona 'citizens' have been arrested for speaking out that public officials are violating the open meeting laws.

To quote:

"Attorney General Tom Horne says his office has found evidence that the Quartzsite Town Council violated the state Open Meeting Law and failed to comply with posting requirements for notices and minutes.

The western Arizona town, which has been through a series of recall elections and courtroom battles over the past few years, made national news last year when a YouTube video showed an activist being dragged away in handcuffs after trying to discuss freedom of speech at a public meeting.

More than a half-dozen critics of the ruling group have been arrested -- many of them repeatedly -- in what dissidents say is a campaign of harassment."

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/20111214quartzsite-council-violated-meeting-laws-horne-says.html

 

[Killion]

Not sure, but Arizona 'citizens' have been arrested for speaking out that public officials are violating the open meeting laws.

Charming... not exactly Hi Jolly huh?

 

[thom]

Glen Healy of Hockey night in canada says Phoneix are done?Just said minutes ago

 

[Donwood]

Glen Healy of Hockey night in canada says Phoneix are done?Just said minutes ago

Damn I missed it, Was it just that, "Phoenix is done"

 

[trebendan]

Healy said Glendale is offering $6.5M per year for a subsidy, and the potential owners want $16M. Glendale to decide around June 25th - NHL wants a decision sooner. Hmmm.