Player Discussion Phillip Danault - The Centermania Edition

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Lmao, a pp specialist isnt a new idea and its been proven to suck. Remember MA Bergeron? Heck even streit?
Don't you have better examples than MA Bergeron and Streit when you talk about PP specialists?
Did you know if Scotty Bowman or any great coach used some players as PP specialists and won with that strategy? Or you take only the example of MA Bergeron and stick with that little reference in the vast world of hockey and from your keyboard you pretend you know hockey more than Bowman and cie?
 

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No, he's not more than a depth player. He's not a core player, thus he's a depth player.
Kotka is my favourite player on the Habs by far. I bought his jersey. With that said, he sucked this year. Suzuki started on the fourth line playing RW, and finished playing top 6 C. Kotka started as our 3C and finished playing in the AHL. If Kotka comes back strong after a good summer, he could easily take Danault’s place. I want that to happen. However, if you just throw Kotka to play against the top centres in the league when he had a hard time playing against third line centres it’s not going to be good. The NHL is not for mistakes, that’s what the AHL is for. Kotka playing 1C in the AHL is good because it’s preparing him for his future role. Suzuki was an exponentially more effective player this season and played ahead because of it. Kotka has sky-high potential but he isn’t ready to play big minutes, mainly because his skating is very below average. He constantly falls and looks like Bambi on the ice. If he can work that out, he’ll be a 1C.
 

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No, he's not more than a depth player. He's not a core player, thus he's a depth player.
No he's not. He is used more than that because nobody is ready to fill the role. Blame the GM if there isn't anybody else, blame the head scout if he never drafted any good center in 17 years. But you can't blame a coach who won the SC in 2011 if he thinks there is nobody else to fill the role. Danault would be a depth player on a team filled with superstars, in what I consider a very unusual context, in fact, Danault would be very usefull in any team. Talk to Joel Quenneville how mad he was when Danault was traded and if he would have kept his job if Danault was still in his roster.
 
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Kotka is my favourite player on the Habs by far. I bought his jersey. With that said, he sucked this year. Suzuki started on the fourth line playing RW, and finished playing top 6 C. Kotka started as our 3C and finished playing in the AHL. If Kotka comes back strong after a good summer, he could easily take Danault’s place. I want that to happen. However, if you just throw Kotka to play against the top centres in the league when he had a hard time playing against third line centres it’s not going to be good. The NHL is not for mistakes, that’s what the AHL is for. Kotka playing 1C in the AHL is good because it’s preparing him for his future role. Suzuki was an exponentially more effective player this season and played ahead because of it. Kotka has sky-high potential but he isn’t ready to play big minutes, mainly because his skating is very below average. He constantly falls and looks like Bambi on the ice. If he can work that out, he’ll be a 1C.
You wrote a nice post but I doubt it will convice anything with Mr1b. He is obsessed with Danault, he really hates him and can't see any good thing he does on the ice. It reminds me how some people said about the same thing about Guy Carbonneau or other top defensive centers. People diminuish Bob Gainey because he did not score as many goals like Guy Lafleur. I mean, there is a place and a role for defensive specilists and teams who wins the SC always have some of them. I don't call them depth players, it's unfair.
 

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You wrote a nice post but I doubt it will convice anything with Mr1b. He is obsessed with Danault, he really hates him and can't see any good thing he does on the ice. It reminds me how some people said about the same thing about Guy Carbonneau or other top defensive centers. People diminuish Bob Gainey because he did not score as many goals like Guy Lafleur. I mean, there is a place and a role for defensive specilists and teams who wins the SC always have some of them. I don't call them depth players, it's unfair.
Thank you. The Danault obsession is kind of a bad look. It doesn’t make sense to me. Danault is not a 1C. Everyone knows that. He is the stop gap until Kotka and Suzuki are ready. Once Kotka and Suzuki are ready to play big minutes, Danault will slide down to the 3C slot. He will he super valuable on the third line because he’ll create mismatches and be a great PKer. His line will be a shutdown line. It would be a matchup nightmare for teams with Danault playing behind prime KK and Suzuki. They are 19 only and 20. They are so young. I think Suzuki is already a 2C and we’ll see what happens with Kotka after this summer. He’s good enough to play 3C but it would be better for him to play 1C in Laval. I hope he surprises and starts the year as our 1C. It could happen. Kotka is a special talent, we just can’t rush him.
 

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Thank you. The Danault obsession is kind of a bad look. It doesn’t make sense to me. Danault is not a 1C. Everyone knows that. He is the stop gap until Kotka and Suzuki are ready. Once Kotka and Suzuki are ready to play big minutes, Danault will slide down to the 3C slot. He will he super valuable on the third line because he’ll create mismatches and be a great PKer. His line will be a shutdown line. It would be a matchup nightmare for teams with Danault playing behind prime KK and Suzuki. They are 19 only and 20. They are so young. I think Suzuki is already a 2C and we’ll see what happens with Kotka after this summer. He’s good enough to play 3C but it would be better for him to play 1C in Laval. I hope he surprises and starts the year as our 1C. It could happen. Kotka is a special talent, we just can’t rush him.
The Habs organisation have to be carefull not rushing young players into roles they are not ready to take yet. I hope the same thing as you but I also know sometimes it's a little too soon. I would be agree Suzuki being our #2 C next year, I see Danault as our #1C again next year but the year after I really don't know. Suzuki could be the #1C, or Kotka, time will tell.
 
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The Habs organization have to be careful not rushing young players into roles they are not ready to take yet. I hope the same thing as you but I also know sometimes it's a little too soon. I would be agree Suzuki being our #2 C next year, I see Danault as our #1C again next year but the year after I really don't know. Suzuki could be the #1C, or Kotka, time will tell.
Thank you. The Danault obsession is kind of a bad look. It doesn’t make sense to me. Danault is not a 1C. Everyone knows that. He is the stop gap until Kotka and Suzuki are ready. Once Kotka and Suzuki are ready to play big minutes, Danault will slide down to the 3C slot. He will he super valuable on the third line because he’ll create mismatches and be a great PKer. His line will be a shutdown line. It would be a matchup nightmare for teams with Danault playing behind prime KK and Suzuki. They are 19 only and 20. They are so young. I think Suzuki is already a 2C and we’ll see what happens with Kotka after this summer. He’s good enough to play 3C but it would be better for him to play 1C in Laval. I hope he surprises and starts the year as our 1C. It could happen. Kotka is a special talent, we just can’t rush him.
You wrote a nice post but I doubt it will convince anything with Mr1b. He is obsessed with Danault, he really hates him and can't see any good thing he does on the ice. It reminds me how some people said about the same thing about Guy Carbonneau or other top defensive centers. People diminish Bob Gainey because he did not score as many goals like Guy Lafleur. I mean, there is a place and a role for defensive specialists and teams who wins the SC always have some of them. I don't call them depth players, it's unfair.
Danault is a core player. He is the only center available in this team playing the team system. He is a model to follow. Yeah he is a defensive selke like player ... the offensive side will bloom like Marchanf give him some time. We need to put him as second line center 1st pk, but he can fill 1st line duty until Suzuki Kotkaniemi or another one step up.

I'd trade Domi for something then try :

Drouin Danault Gallagher
Tatar Suzuki Armia

As a top 6 next year.
 
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Danault is a core player. He is the only center available in this team playing the team system. He is a model to follow. Yeah he is a defensive selke like player ... the offensive side will bloom like Marchanf give him some time. We need to put him as second line center 1st pk, but he can fill 1st line duty until Suzuki Kotkaniemi or another one step up.

I'd trade Domi for something then try :

Drouin Danault Gallagher
Tatar Suzuki Armia

As a top 6 next year.

Defensive Selke and a future Marchand offensively ? Are we watching the same player ? This guy is a great 3rd, who can play more when your team face injuries, but you won't win anything with him on your top-6.

Armia on the top-6 ? The same player who had a hot streak of 9 points in 11 games and after that was on pace for 36 points, while getting 2:00 of pp time per game ?
 

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Danault is a core player. He is the only center available in this team playing the team system. He is a model to follow. Yeah he is a defensive selke like player ... the offensive side will bloom like Marchanf give him some time. We need to put him as second line center 1st pk, but he can fill 1st line duty until Suzuki Kotkaniemi or another one step up.

I'd trade Domi for something then try :

Drouin Danault Gallagher
Tatar Suzuki Armia

As a top 6 next year.
No hes not a core player
No hes not a selke worthy player
No he doesnt have the skills Marchand does
 

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No hes not a core player
No hes not a selke worthy player
No he doesnt have the skills Marchand does
i remember prior to Cole and Pac mega year how people were on DD ... Danault is on the high pace ... and no it's not about the quebecois thing. You are looking to old hockey where new is going to be wayyy different. Anyway you are bashing Danault for a god damn year and more even if there is not other than suzuki around ... and that's lame !!
 

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Defensive Selke and a future Marchand offensively ? Are we watching the same player ? This guy is a great 3rd, who can play more when your team face injuries, but you won't win anything with him on your top-6.

Armia on the top-6 ? The same player who had a hot streak of 9 points in 11 games and after that was on pace for 36 points, while getting 2:00 of pp time per game ?
you will see late bloom on offensive crease is something you are going to see with few of our core player playing with a better team. If we gain 2 min in ice possession Danault will give you more than what you get, and we are building through such mold for 3 year ... usually guys should be at their top in a mini tournament and Danault will clic in the near future. We are closer to see a good team than ever before so be prepared.
 

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i remember prior to Cole and Pac mega year how people were on DD ... Danault is on the high pace ... and no it's not about the quebecois thing. You are looking to old hockey where new is going to be wayyy different. Anyway you are bashing Danault for a god damn year and more even if there is not other than suzuki around ... and that's lame !!
Imagine bringing up Desharnais as an example lmao.

Desharnais is exactly why Danault should get roasted like a pig
 

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you will see late bloom on offensive crease is something you are going to see with few of our core player playing with a better team. If we gain 2 min in ice possession Danault will give you more than what you get, and we are building through such mold for 3 year ... usually guys should be at their top in a mini tournament and Danault will clic in the near future. We are closer to see a good team than ever before so be prepared.

Marchand and Danault are nothing alike. Brad is a skilled and gritty player, with good hands, great scoring abilities, a splendid passer who can drive a line by himself.

On the other hand, Danault is a grinder who can defend pretty well, with a weak shot and average passing ability and stone hands... He's strong and makes simple but effective plays.

Danault is 27 years old and with his limited offensive characteristics, you can't expect him to find another gear and turn into a PPG+ player.

I can't believe I have to argue with someone that Danault is not and will never be a #1C, let alone a Selke player with Marchand's offensive arsenal.
 
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You wrote a nice post but I doubt it will convice anything with Mr1b. He is obsessed with Danault, he really hates him and can't see any good thing he does on the ice. It reminds me how some people said about the same thing about Guy Carbonneau or other top defensive centers. People diminuish Bob Gainey because he did not score as many goals like Guy Lafleur. I mean, there is a place and a role for defensive specilists and teams who wins the SC always have some of them. I don't call them depth players, it's unfair.
Danault is nowhere close to these guys at defending and I like Danault. He does produce relatively more though. Bretty gud 2c he is. Is he core though? Eh... Kinda, but your defintion of core is then very loose. Anyways, this team doesnt have a core. It's a bunch of ok-to-good players put together without a plan.
 
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i remember prior to Cole and Pac mega year how people were on DD ... Danault is on the high pace ... and no it's not about the quebecois thing. You are looking to old hockey where new is going to be wayyy different. Anyway you are bashing Danault for a god damn year and more even if there is not other than suzuki around ... and that's lame !!

There was an excess of irrational love for Desharnais, people were comparing him to Martin st Louis, but let's be clear, Danault is a much better player than Desharnais.
 

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However good Philip Danault is a player...and don't get me wrong, he's one of the top 2 way centers in the game.

The Habs will never achieve greater heights as long as he's playing as much as he does.

This is Pkekanec playing itself all over again...a coach who refuses to trust anyone else so he'll ride him til' the wheels fall off.

It'll be good for Danault's bank account...but not the team.
 
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Thank you. The Danault obsession is kind of a bad look. It doesn’t make sense to me. Danault is not a 1C. Everyone knows that. He is the stop gap until Kotka and Suzuki are ready. Once Kotka and Suzuki are ready to play big minutes, Danault will slide down to the 3C slot. He will he super valuable on the third line because he’ll create mismatches and be a great PKer. His line will be a shutdown line. It would be a matchup nightmare for teams with Danault playing behind prime KK and Suzuki. They are 19 only and 20. They are so young. I think Suzuki is already a 2C and we’ll see what happens with Kotka after this summer. He’s good enough to play 3C but it would be better for him to play 1C in Laval. I hope he surprises and starts the year as our 1C. It could happen. Kotka is a special talent, we just can’t rush him.

When the kids mature, I have the Habs running with three 2nd lines. List them in any order you wish cause their ice time will fluctuate depending on PP/PK and match-up's

Drouin / Kotkaneimi / Armia
Domi / Suzuki / Caufield
Tatar / Danault / Gallagher
Poehling / Evans / Lehkonen or Ylonen

Danault is a very reliable piece and I think it would be smart to keep that line together (Call it whatever line people want to call it cause usage will vary game to game). It will be interesting to see who we pick in the next draft and how the roster shapes out in the next few seasons. If we draft Holtz, you let one of Armia or Lehkonen go.
 

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However good Philip Danault is a player...and don't get me wrong, he's one of the top 2 way centers in the game.

The Habs will never achieve greater heights as long as he's playing as much as he does.

This is Pkekanec playing itself all over again...a coach who refuses to trust anyone else so he'll ride him til' the wheels fall off.

It'll be good for Danault's bank account...but not the team.

Problem is when your best centers are Pleky or Danault, they get targeted cause they are meant to be middle 2 centers. Lets hope Suzuki and Kotkaniemi turn into who we think they can be. Things fall into place more and less attention on Danault.
 

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There was an excess of irrational love for Desharnais, people were comparing him to Martin st Louis, but let's be clear, Danault is a much better player than Desharnais.
yeah and there was all those anti smurf calls or french one too but I won't be that harsh today .. cuz murica need to learn the other's side ;) !

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