i've got mixed feelings toward Danault. i know he got 40 pts with mostly no PP time. But how much point would any 4th liner got playing 1st line minute with Radulov and Pacioretty. Let's say Mitchell. How many points do you guys think he would have got with the same icetime/teammates?
Player Discussion Phillip Danault II: 2nd C? edition
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30-35pts. Danault is a better player than Mitchell but its still too early to call him a top 6 player.
Kudo Shinichi
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Why do you only look at stats?
By looking at Danault and Mitchell play, you can easily tell Danault is a lot better.
Danault is a good skater, he's explosive, he has an accurate shot, he's a smart player, very good defensively, he is also able to do some sweet passes, he's good along the boards, etc.
Danault will never be a real number 1 center, but he absolutely has 2nd line potential.
I still think if we can somehow get a second winger as good as Radulov, we'll be fine offensively.
It was just too easy to shut down the Pacioretty-Radulov duo. We need a second threat, whether it's from a center or a winger playing with Chucky.
It was just too easy to shut down the Pacioretty-Radulov duo. We need a second threat, whether it's from a center or a winger playing with Chucky.
marvelousmotion
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This team needs a legitimate center. You can add all the wingers you want, you still won't go far with Danault centering your top line.
I never felt comfortable with the team entering the playoffs with Danault as the 1st line center. It was a recipe for disaster offensively and it showed. Danault is best centering a 3rd line and playing with players like Shaw.
Why i look at points? To evaluate a player (esp. top6), points are important. I know that Danault is better than Mitchell. It's just that i think that to evaluate him offensively (for a 2C) you have to look at what a marginal player would get with his icetime/teammmates. If you think that Ott/Mitchell/Flynn would get 30-35 points in that situation, that means Danault overachieve by 5-10 points... not 2C material at all...
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He was horrible in the playoffs. Between him and Chucky I'd rather trade him, he's close to his ceiling. Overrated player, maybe we can sell-high on him.
Smokey Thompson
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Forget about top 6 centres, we still need a #3C assuming Plek goes to LV. We can't trade either Danault nor Galchenyuk lol.
Mario le Magnifique
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He's a perfect 3C on a winning team. He's good defensively and along the boards. Much like Eller.
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If you play Mitchell with Patch and Radu for ~50 games and the rest of the season on a 3rd line he'll do 30-35 points. People got to realize that 40-50 points with that quality of wingers is nothing special. This is one of the best duo of wingers in the league.
It's DD all over again and it sadden me. It sadden me cause DD did not deserve what he got and neither will Danault. People need to stop blaming the players and start blaming the management. It's ALL on the management. ALL of it.
Back then me and many others said if you reduce DD TOI and give him 3rd line quality wingers he'll not do much better than Eller. I think history proved us right. It's the same for Danault. Anyone who think Danault will do 40 points on a 3rd line playing with 3rd line wingers is out for lunch. On a 3rd line he is (for now) a 25-30 points player at the very best.
I like Danault. He has been a nice surprise. But if you remove the surprise factor the reality is as a 1st line center he's been bad. Terribad. Awful. 40 points in the regular season and 2 assists in 6 playoffs game with this quality of wingers is just downright awful. It's not his fault. Like i said it's all on the management. All of it.
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Mario le Magnifique
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Danault wasn't as horrible as Galchenyuk has been for a while now. Danault was put in a situation where he couldn't succeed in the Playoffs. He isn't a no.1 center. And Galchenyuk isn't either. We're ****ed. Fire MB for his incompetency. He blames Beaulieu and Galchenyuk for not delivering yet fails at acknowledging that he didn't do enough. In yesterday's interview he said that NO centers were available, but we're all aware that the Avs were sellers, yet MB couldn't make a deal because he's a bad negociator. Habs are snakebitten offensively because they haven't drafted quality NHLers with their top pick consistently. He admitted there is NO centers down the pipeline, ready to jump in. The biggest hole this club has and he has no answer for that. He was annoyed at reporters hammering the center position but he needs to get held accountable. Galchenyuk is a top6 complimentary winger (for a top3 pick that is bad), McCarron is a 4th liner not much upside offensively, a wannabe Bryan Boyle, Sherbak might not even be an NHLer ever, he's been that bad, Juulsen seems to have top4 potential but still a long way, Sergachev might pan out but he's still raw. I'd say his drafting track record has been quite ordinary. Some heads need to roll.
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I just want everyone who was pumping Danault's tires to take a look at his performance. He was worse than Chucky.
Kid's extremely overrated.
Kid's extremely overrated.
MXD
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....Well, being overrated or underrated means squat. I can say that Danault is as good as Crosby, and I can also say that Torrey Mitchell is the exact same player as Johann Witehall. That would make Danault overrated and Mitchell underrated, but that wouldn't mean Danault is not the better player between both.
And, well, he had bad playoffs, significantly worse than he should've had. He's not the only one in that situation, mind you.
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He's overrated in that we can sell-high and get better assets in return.
I don't particularly want to trade him but if you had to 'send a message' and trade underperformers, I'd trade this disappearing act over the much more talented Galchenyuk.
Where are his fans? They were leading the light brigade just a few weeks ago!
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So you want to send a message by trading a kid that was in the wrong chair all season long,played his heart out every night and did a decent job even if he shoud have never been put in that situation!!??
And why are you picking on the people who like him!!?? What do you want to achieve there beside trolling!!??
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He didn't play his heart out. He was putrid in the playoffs. And he was given good linemates. He didn't produce, he didn't play hard, he didn't focus. He wasted his opportunity with Radulov and Pacioretty. Why do you make up a narrative? You like the kid, good for you - you can't get to say he played his heart out because he didn't. He was brutal - not even invisible.
Enough's enough - he busted out of Chicago, he's extremely overrated here. Maybe we can trade him and get someone with actual heart and effort back. But knowing this organisation this kid's gonna be the next Desharnais. A misfit in a major role.
Excuse me for not wanting mercenaries like Weber and overrated nobodies like Danault stinking up the Habs.
Do you have any criticism or argument to put forth or will you just cry racist every time someone points out issues with this team?
WhiskeySeven*
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Love having professionals on HF Boards, their valuable insight is immeasurable.
Soon we'll hear how Galchenyuk was late for practice not 18, but 19 times
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