He didn't.
Proposed situation didn't happen, no one can share a comparable to a non-existent situation.
He did though... his most common winger this season was Toffoli.He didn't.
I don’t know about his TOI pre and post Staak acquisition…I’ll take your word for it.I've been reading this over and over that his time on ice was cut after they got Staal but it's some more BS.
This is his TOI/GP before Staal's acquisition: 14:49 TOI/GP
And this is his TOI/GP after Staal was acquired: 14:45 TOI/GP
I posted it the other day… looked at about a dozen forwards who were all in the 14:30-15 TOI/g and the production varied as low as 17pts to as high as 32 IIRC.I mean did KK not play most of his TOI with our most offensive catalyst this year? Can you share other players in similar situations so I can compare (not sarcasm) genuinely curious, seeing your arguing this
Is toffoli not our our highest point getter this year? Unless I'm making that up.
Try again, KK's most used linemate this year is TT..........
Now again, I ask, show me some comparables instead of misinformation please
Unless you are answering there isn't
Edit: Have to say 5 on 5... cause your never know someone might pull usage for 4vs3 or something lol
He did though... his most common winger this season was Toffoli.
Most common linemate =/= most of KK's TOI
This is something very very simple guys.
And your point is?Most common linemate =/= most of KK's TOI
This is something very very simple guys.
He was moved to the wing when Staal integrated the lineup, I can give you that but I still don't think he was mishandled.I don’t know about his TOI pre and post Staak acquisition…I’ll take your word for it.
But can’t no one tell me his role didn’t change over that time.
Maybe that was of his own doing, maybe he lost confidence…either way, up until then he was having a good season.
But at the end of the day, this is the NHL…
Yep, that is my cue to call it a night boys, can't argue that logic
Don't distort what actually happened.
While it's true that Toffu/Anderson were the most common wingers in a rotating cast of ever changing wingers. KK only played 263 ES minutes with either Toffoli, Anderson or both as his wingers out of the 721 ES minutes he played last season. So for 64% of his ES time (IE: Most of the time) he was on the ice without either Toffoli or Anderson.
What is your conclusion at the end though?I'm going to quote myself because it was adressed multiple time already:
And since you were focusing solely on Toffoli it's going to be way more than 64% of KK's ES time away from Toffoli.
It's not logic, it's fact.
I'm going to quote myself because it was adressed multiple time already:
And since you were focusing solely on Toffoli it's going to be way more than 64% of KK's ES time away from Toffoli.
It's not logic, it's fact.
I mean…you can’t compare because the team is completely different.He was moved to the wing when Staal integrated the lineup, I can give you that but I still don't think he was mishandled.
When you have Danault and Suzuki both being able to climb the ladder from 4th line LW to the #1 Center position while KK somehow regressed while being fed everything... Tough to blame development, to be honest...
And your point is?
He still played with Toffoli on his wing for the majority of the season...
I’ve literally brought this up countless times, seems simple enough.I'm going to quote myself because it was adressed multiple time already:
And since you were focusing solely on Toffoli it's going to be way more than 64% of KK's ES time away from Toffoli.
It's not logic, it's fact.
What is your conclusion at the end though?
KK needs great wingers to care him?
KK is supposed to elevate his wingers!
But all I'm reading is that he didn't get good enough wingers so that they could elevate his game.
Good riddance then!
Suzuki was producing at a consistent rate the entire season no matter his wingers.
He's not right though! Don't you buckle my friend.hmm you know what, you’re right. I should phrase my statement better next time.
Appreciate the insight
Well, he still did it! Didn't he? What about KK...He didn't show anything to be able to leapfrog Suzuki or Danault so what's the point?I mean…you can’t compare because the team is completely different.
Danault ascended to his role in large part because he was unchallenged.
it took a lot less work and convincing for Danault, who let’s remember, was FAR from the player he would eventually become, to move up as the #1C.
He had to beat out a washed up Plekanec, another C in Galchenyuk that the coaching staff didn’t even think was a C, Desharnais and a host of other scrubs.
Come on now
He's not right though! Don't you buckle my friend.
The fact that KK played a lot of minutes away from Toffoli doesn't change the fact that he still played most of his minutes with Toffoli on his wing.
Again what are you KK lovers even arguing about?Suzuki most common line combination was worth 250 minutes of his ice time, for KK it was 87 minutes.
So unless Suzuki played 3 times more ES minute than KK (spoiler: he didn't.) then you have no floor to stand on to make that comparison.
He's not right though! Don't you buckle my friend.
The fact that KK played a lot of minutes away from Toffoli doesn't change the fact that he still played most of his minutes with Toffoli on his wing.
Yes he did…because competition wasn’t as fierce.Well, he still did it! Didn't he? What about KK...He didn't show anything to be able to leapfrog Suzuki or Danault so what's the point?
This is not a 50/50 situation.It kind of does.
(100 - 64) < (100 - 36)
I mean he was getting the perfect opportunity to show his offensive play but he never managed to do it...Yes he did…because competition wasn’t as fierce.
Even you acknowledge that Kotkaniemi shouldn’t have been playing ahead of Suzuki and Danault, given the role each played.
So why do you on the other hand present this scenario where he didn’t do enough to surpass them?
At this stage of his career, he was not equipped to play the role Danault played and Suzuki is just plain better right now.
There was no conceivable scenario where he was going to leapfrog them.
Given this very plausible conclusion, his production fell in line with the role he had.
This is not a 50/50 situation.
The point made here is that out of the entire list of wingers KK played with Toffoli is on the top of the list.
I never thought it could be this difficult to understand something...