Phil Kessel ranks 43rd on TSN's Top 50 NHL players
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Gobias Industries
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Parise at #23 and Phil at #43? What a load of BS. Parise has gone downhill since his injury. Phil has improved every year
Its also why a 10 ten in scoring dman signs for $2M a year. There is more to playing defense than just scoring with one timers from the point. Nobody is saying Kessel is bad or won't score at the same rate or better than last year. Just that as he is a one way player who is never seen on the PK there are 42 players more important to their team than Phil. Hell last year it could be said that Reimer was more important to the Leafs. If he isn't stellar the Leafs don't make the play-offs.
When Phil plays in all three zones he'll get the recognition. Last years playoffs were an indication the might be able to do that, but can or will he carry that over to this season.
All Day Kessel
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I stopped looking at lists like these, because they're always just terrible and Kessel never gets the respect he deserves. It's just frustrating.
God forbid but if Kessel played for the Rangers he'd be top 15
we know it's true
Bobs your uncle
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if its true gms and coaches voted in the list than they know a lot more than people on site because goals are not the stat pros look at there are many other variables.Kesel seems a bit low but who am i too judge the gms
So you never have an opinion about a signing, trade or draft pick. Just go with the GM must be right. Cool.
Lots of talent on the list for sure. When you have a quick look at the list without analyzing all the stats for every player, you can make a good argument why Kessell is better than several of them. By way of example, and just one example, you look at where Kopitar is placed and you consider his stats and the team he was on, it's hard to understand the rationale in placing him ahead of Kessell..
If Kessel played for any other team, leaf fans would be saying how Kessel is a lazy one dimensional defensive liability who doesn't belong on the top 50 list at all.
But he's a leaf.
So leaf fans say he belongs in the top 20.
It's just the way it is.
It's not going to change.
No matter how frustrated I get, people simply aren't going to change.
But he's a leaf.
So leaf fans say he belongs in the top 20.
It's just the way it is.
It's not going to change.
No matter how frustrated I get, people simply aren't going to change.
How does a guy like Parise get such a high nod compared to Phil?
Not that I agree with having Parise above Kessel but hes a more versatile player. Coaches love a scorer who could play the PK and play a little physical. People shouldn't act so surprised.
Northernguy10
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"Assuming" there are 30 teams and there is one coach and one GM per team this is a subjective poll by 14 people out of 60, 7 of whom didn't see him play last year so I would also assume those 7 western coaches/GMs might have gone by his previous rep rather than knowing he took fairly big strides forward as a player last year. I would take Phil over at least half of the players rated ahead of him.
You know I am going to take the Kessel approach to this and just say "whatever lets play some hackey.". I mean it is pretty subjective because I mean what qualifies as a "good hockey player." TSN might be looking for the more "complete" player who plays a 200ft game rather than a offensive dynamo like Kessel. (And no this is not me critiquing Kessel because quite frankly the offense Kessel can and will provide outweighs the fact his defensive game is not spectacular.)
johnny_rudeboy
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You dont understand why Kopitar is ranked higher then Kessel?
And for every one who thinks that this list can or will be used as an argument by Leafs to get PK to sign a cheaper deal... dream on. Kessel is a special player with his set of skills, that is why, even do he is one of the least complete hockey players on the list, that he still make it. And he will get paid good money for what he brings to the ice namely speed and one of the best shots in the league. A player can still be considered a better hockey player and even more important to his team then Phil is but special talents is rewarded with big contracts so I think he will get paid as a top 10 point producer rather then a 43rd ranked hockey player.
bobermay
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What a joke.
Surprising how the Leafs are considered a playoff-caliber team with NO top 40 NHL players... and only one player in the top 50.
But it's all good... things like this doesn't influence the play of the players on the ice!! You know, where the game is actually played!
Surprising how the Leafs are considered a playoff-caliber team with NO top 40 NHL players... and only one player in the top 50.
But it's all good... things like this doesn't influence the play of the players on the ice!! You know, where the game is actually played!
Well well, look who decided to come crawling back.
How would you know what Leafs fans would be saying if Kessel played for another team? Not everyone shares the same lowly opinion you have of Kessel, even though he continues to prove haters like you wrong time and time again. And some Leafs fans think top 30 is fair enough, and top 20 certainly isn't unreasonable. He sure as hell deserves to be ahead of the likes of Neal, Parise, and Hall.
Mess
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Teams with the best players with the best cap-friendly contracts in a cap world are the most cup competitive by logic and reasoning.You dont understand why Kopitar is ranked higher then Kessel?
And for every one who thinks that this list can or will be used as an argument by Leafs to get PK to sign a cheaper deal... dream on. Kessel is a special player with his set of skills, that is why, even do he is one of the least complete hockey players on the list, that he still make it. And he will get paid good money for what he brings to the ice namely speed and one of the best shots in the league. A player can still be considered a better hockey player and even more important to his team then Phil is but special talents is rewarded with big contracts so I think he will get paid as a top 10 point producer rather then a 43rd ranked hockey player.
Teams With the Most Players on Top 50
Chicago: 5 (Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Sharp)
Pittsburgh: 4 (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Neal)
Boston: 4 (Chara, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci)
Los Angeles: 4 (Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Brown)
What do these teams all have in common besides having the most players in the top 50?.
Leafs have 1 player in the top 50 best NHL players as determined by GMs and coaches and he is about to be among the highest paid NHLers with a Leafs team trying to be Cup competitive against recent Stanley Cup winners with 4 or 5 players most ranked above Kessel as better NHLers.
What's wrong with that picture, and how do Leafs fan like our Cup chances as a result?.
WTF does this list have to do with our cup chances?
Phaneuf and Lupul are on par with plenty of guys on that list anyway.
Mess
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Shouldn't teams with the best players have the best odds of success?.
Last 5 Cup winners Chicago X 2, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh.
&
Teams With the Most Players on Top 50
Chicago: 5 (Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Sharp)
Pittsburgh: 4 (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Neal)
Boston: 4 (Chara, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci)
Los Angeles: 4 (Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Brown)
Notice a connection here between this ranking and Stanley Cups?
Now how many Leafs in comparison are on the list?
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