Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[deadhead]

Vorobyev was very good. I find it hard to believe this guy couldn't be an NHL 4th liner and probably a good one. Put on a passing clinic.

We know Vorobyev is a plus passer with good vision.
His problem is that in a bottom six role, skating and using his size will be more important, Bunnaman simply outplayed him in that regard in the preseason.
What I want to see from Vorobyev is more intensity, especially on the forecheck, he shows this on the PK, but not consistently at ES.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We all want Frost to make it. There’s a contingent who believe he should be an NHL 3C right now. That same contingent scoff at Gabriel. Well... Gabriel 2 pts in 3 AHL games, Frost 0 pts in 3 AHL games. For a guy who right now offers value only in offense, that doesn’t reek of NHL ready.

 

[deadhead]

If you're being serious, Ghost Beer, you're really discrediting yourself.
Even top scorers have fallow periods where they don't score for a stretch of games.
There is no question concerning Frost's offensive skills.

His NHL readiness is an open question, because most rookies, even highly skilled ones, don't score a lot of points, TK is a good example - 24 ES points in 70 games playing 3rd line minutes. Players like Barzal are the exception, not the rule.

And if Frost doesn't give you 35-40 ES points, he's probably not a good 3C right now b/c he'll struggle defensively with bigger, more physical forwards until he learns "little men" tricks to compensate for his lack of size. You don't face a lot of 210-220 lb centers with above average speed in the CHL, and in the NHL, even the average size forward is 6'1 200.

So those who think he'll be an instant upgrade are probably fooling themselves - the triumph of optimism over experience.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Except I explicitly said it wouldn’t last. Pretty weak effort by you. I expected better.

So what about that scouting report? What specifically in his game makes it not AHL ready at this moment that needs to change?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

We all want Frost to make it. There’s a contingent who believe he should be an NHL 3C right now. That same contingent scoff at Gabriel. Well... Gabriel 2 pts in 3 AHL games, Frost 0 pts in 3 AHL games. For a guy who right now offers value only in offense, that doesn’t reek of NHL ready.

This is actually mad hilarious to read. It like he has turned inward and is now trolling himself in front of all of us.

 

[Stizzle]

Vorobyev was very good. I find it hard to believe this guy couldn't be an NHL 4th liner and probably a good one. Put on a passing clinic.

Either they think his skating is flat out not good enough. Or, the few half-ass cryptic Tweets from Meltzer, etc about other issues are the real reason he's not on the team. I can't figure anything else.

 

[DancingPanther]

I come here for the daily prospect roundup, not this bullshit

 

[Magua]

I’m confused about one teeny tiny thing. Did the people overly critical of Frost’s AHL games and readiness actually WATCH any of the three games?

I come here for the daily prospect roundup, not this bull****

So sorry, your highness. Won’t happen again.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not sure why you have to ask, Magua, since you have told others what they have watched and haven't watched.

I'll say this: I haven't watched any of the 3 Phantom games. My guess is there are probably very few posters who have watched any, though I won't dispute those who say they have.

People can nitpick all they want, but it's clear I was making a point that a number of posters are bitching that Frost should be on the Flyers right now, yet he's an offensive player who hasn't been able to record a point in 3 AHL games while many others, including Kurtis f'ing Gabriel, have outproduced him. Let's see him make an impact at the AHL level before whining about how he definitively belongs in the NHL. And I pretty clearly said I thought he'd start making an impact in the AHL pretty soon. He just isn't there quite yet. When he outproduces Kurtis Gabriel, then we can start talking about how he belongs in an NHL lineup.

 

[DancingPanther]

I’m confused about one teeny tiny thing. Did the people overly critical of Frost’s AHL games and readiness actually WATCH any of the three games?



So sorry, your highness. Won’t happen again.

Thank you. Pls fetch some linens

 

[wankstifier]

When can we send Gostisbehere, Voracek and van Riemsdyk to the AHL?

 

[mja]

What’s your argument? That the people who decided he’d be better off in the minors at first are wrong? There’s evidence in support of him not making the NHL. There’s no evidence in support, so far, of him making it.

My argument is merely that your argument is complete bullshit. I haven't offered any commentary whatsoever on Frost. You want to know why? Because I haven't watched any of the games, and so I can't speak intelligently on the matter. He could be looking like Wayne Gretzky out there or like Brent Gretzky, but I wouldn't know because I haven't watched the games. After all, a wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something.

And there's rafts of evidence in support of him making the NHL. His entire juniors career, for one. If you had actually watched the 3 games instead of just mindlessly looking at boxscores, you might have been able to point to specific things that supported either side of the argument, albeit in an extremely small sample.

I actually don't even have a problem with Frost being in the AHL right now. I just have a problem with your usual bullshit arguments rooted in fallacious thinking.

 

[Tripod]

So....the person(GB) who said "Frost will be fine but his game is simply not NHL ready. It’s not even AHL ready at the moment, though I suspect that will change."

.....finally admitted that he has not watched ANY of Frosts 3 games. Not one. Not two. Not three. Zippo. Zero.

So now we have the answer. Trust the people who have said they have watched the games and Frost has played well but had bad luck including linemates missing great setups, or trust the guy who watched ZERO games and just looked at his point totals in 3 games.

Maybe Frost's game IS AHL ready at the moment and this guy was lying or talking out his ass. Now we know.

May you all have a wonderful Tuesday.

 

[pit]

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[deadhead]

I’m confused about one teeny tiny thing. Did the people overly critical of Frost’s AHL games and readiness actually WATCH any of the three games?

I did watch the first game, and based my comments on what I saw, and what I saw in his two pre-season games, and a little common sense.
Frost actually has a better shot than I expected, and he flashes at times, but he's wasn't as a consistent presence as Farabee or even Twarynski.
The skill is obviously there, I just saw a guy who was a marginal NHL player RIGHT NOW, and wouldn't be hurt by a couple months in the AHL.

In the NHL, you can't just "flash," you have to bring it on a consistent basis, just compare Hayes and Voracek the first three games.
Hayes seems to make an impression on almost every shift, from back checking, making plays in the O-zone to contributing to both ST units.
Voracek has been MIA for most of his shifts so far. He's had a few good PP shifts and some good O-zone shifts, but has lacked consistency.

I think one factor is that Frost played with the puck so much in junior he's still learning how to play without the puck.
And right now the puck isn't "finding him" the way it does Giroux.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Either they think his skating is flat out not good enough. Or, the few half-ass cryptic Tweets from Meltzer, etc about other issues are the real reason he's not on the team. I can't figure anything else.

I think a fair amount of the "tough to figure out why" decisions teams make in all pro sports relate to "off the field/ice" issues. One of the fun things about my section at the games is the rumor mill. I sit next to a long time camera guy and i think he starts half of them then the whole section starts talking about stuff "they heard" which is mostly bs but every once in a while...... Anxious to hear the latest installment Saturday. Who knows what's true or not but there is no doubt Meltzer hears stuff that he doesn't report.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think it's tough to figure out why Frost is in the AHL. He only got to play a couple of preseason games due to injury, playing center in the NHL is a lot tougher than playing wing, and they don't want him getting 10 minutes or less on the 4th line at this stage of his career.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

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[Ghosts Beer]

My argument is merely that your argument is complete bull****. I haven't offered any commentary whatsoever on Frost. You want to know why? Because I haven't watched any of the games, and so I can't speak intelligently on the matter. He could be looking like Wayne Gretzky out there or like Brent Gretzky, but I wouldn't know because I haven't watched the games. After all, a wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something.

And there's rafts of evidence in support of him making the NHL. His entire juniors career, for one. If you had actually watched the 3 games instead of just mindlessly looking at boxscores, you might have been able to point to specific things that supported either side of the argument, albeit in an extremely small sample.

I actually don't even have a problem with Frost being in the AHL right now. I just have a problem with your usual bull**** arguments rooted in fallacious thinking.

I was also told he was demoted to the 4th line last game. But I guess I can’t use that information because I didn’t see it myself.

I’m sure he’s playing great despite being one of the few players on the team with 0 points, getting outproduced by the other kids & Kurtis f’ing Gabriel, & getting demoted to the 4th line. Yawn. Just your typical nitpicking.

 

[mja]

I was also told he was demoted to the 4th line last game. But I guess I can’t use that information because I didn’t see it myself.

I’m sure he’s playing great despite being one of the few players on the team with 0 points, getting outproduced by the other kids & Kurtis f’ing Gabriel, & getting demoted to the 4th line. Yawn. Just your typical nitpicking.

And still doing it!

 

[wasup]

Holy shit you guys drop it . I come on here to read about prospects and quite often get different views and that's fine but this is not productive for anyone . Just agree to disagree and move on . This crap happens on here way to often .

 

[Muddy Wilbury]

Is there any package I could buy to watch Phantoms games? If so, is it good/worth it, or is it awful enough that I'd just be wasting my time?

Team packages for the season start at $39.99 https://www.watchtheahl.com/#/
I'm thinking about adding the Away Single Team Pass to my Roku.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Not sure why you have to ask, Magua, since you have told others what they have watched and haven't watched.

I'll say this: I haven't watched any of the 3 Phantom games. My guess is there are probably very few posters who have watched any, though I won't dispute those who say they have.

People can nitpick all they want, but it's clear I was making a point that a number of posters are *****ing that Frost should be on the Flyers right now, yet he's an offensive player who hasn't been able to record a point in 3 AHL games while many others, including Kurtis f'ing Gabriel, have outproduced him. Let's see him make an impact at the AHL level before whining about how he definitively belongs in the NHL. And I pretty clearly said I thought he'd start making an impact in the AHL pretty soon. He just isn't there quite yet. When he outproduces Kurtis Gabriel, then we can start talking about how he belongs in an NHL lineup.

Yup you said it wouldn't last long. But you did say his game isn't AHL ready right now.

Sorry if that isn't an exact quote. But that seems like what you were implying.

Again, I would love to hear your scouting report as to why you think currently, at this exact point at his career his game is not AHL ready. Not what his upside is. What are the current flaws in his game that make it not AHL ready right now.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I was also told he was demoted to the 4th line last game. But I guess I can’t use that information because I didn’t see it myself.

I’m sure he’s playing great despite being one of the few players on the team with 0 points, getting outproduced by the other kids & Kurtis f’ing Gabriel, & getting demoted to the 4th line. Yawn. Just your typical nitpicking.

Let me make a guess.

I guess you don't really know at all. But your too immature and cowardly to just admit that and take a proper L over something.

 

[Appleyard]

Frost has:

73.68 SCF%: Leads the team amongst fwds
87.50 HDCF%: 2nd on team amongst fwds

If Carey had shot "normally" over the first few games Frost would easily have 2-3 assists, as he put some goals on a platter for him.