Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [Summer 2021 edition]

[renberg]

How is it the Flyers are up against the salary cap? This is more of a rhetorical question as its basic math, I get it. But the NYR have an $11MM player, an $8MM player, a goalie that is projected to make $6MM, and even with all of this are projected to be around $73MM for a 22 man roster. The Flyers seem to consistently (there are some exceptions) pay players a little more than they are worth and I guess this adds up over a 22 man roster. They also tend to shy awy from youth (ELCs).......

Part of this is due to the previous administrations that traded away draft picks and had to bolster their roster by filling in the gaps with FAs where there is always an overpay. (JVR, Hayes, et al). I don't believe that the Rags and teams such as them are going to be in good shape after this season. The RFAs are getting the type of money that only the UFAs were supposed to get when this CBA was put together. All that it takes is for a Toronto to give out crazy cash to Tavares or Edmonton and Chicago to do the same with Nurse and Jones respectively and salaries across the league get out of balance.
The Flyers are soon going to have to make some hard decisions. Based upon salaries handed out this summer, Couturier is going to get $9M+ per on an extension. There's not going to be a lot of cash left over for Giroux on an extension even if JVR is let go. Its why signing Yandle and Thompson were bad moves. Its only $1.7M for the two of them but it is money that needed to be used with players that were already on the roster. But AV needs his vets so money got tighter than necessary. For all teams its going too be tough with a flat cap and revenues that are not going to rise for many organizations. No one can afford to make dumb financial decisions.

 

[deadhead]

Part of this is due to the previous administrations that traded away draft picks and had to bolster their roster by filling in the gaps with FAs where there is always an overpay. (JVR, Hayes, et al). I don't believe that the Rags and teams such as them are going to be in good shape after this season. The RFAs are getting the type of money that only the UFAs were supposed to get when this CBA was put together. All that it takes is for a Toronto to give out crazy cash to Tavares or Edmonton and Chicago to do the same with Nurse and Jones respectively and salaries across the league get out of balance.
The Flyers are soon going to have to make some hard decisions. Based upon salaries handed out this summer, Couturier is going to get $9M+ per on an extension. There's not going to be a lot of cash left over for Giroux on an extension even if JVR is let go. Its why signing Yandle and Thompson were bad moves. Its only $1.7M for the two of them but it is money that needed to be used with players that were already on the roster. But AV needs his vets so money got tighter than necessary. For all teams its going too be tough with a flat cap and revenues that are not going to rise for many organizations. No one can afford to make dumb financial decisions.

You have to look at net cost.

Yandle and Thompson cost almost nothing b/c you have to fill those roster spots with someone, so you save little with an ELC, and if the player isn't ready, or you've stashing a prospect in the press box and hurting their development.

Couts and G cost $13M this year, so if you give Couts $9M and G $6M, the net cost is $2M.

 

[mr4tno]

You have to look at net cost.

Yandle and Thompson cost almost nothing b/c you have to fill those roster spots with someone, so you save little with an ELC, and if the player isn't ready, or you've stashing a prospect in the press box and hurting their development.

Couts and G cost $13M this year, so if you give Couts $9M and G $6M, the net cost is $2M.

For those two, it is not the combined amount I'm worried, it is the term. Giroux has given us good value throughout his current contract but he is going to hit a wall, and Couterier's contract will pay him until he is 38. That will not age well. I do hope Giroux's next deal is below $5MM

 

[FLYguy3911]

Dev camp.

Flyers' draft pick Samson starts NHL development camp Aug. 23 - Prince George Citizen

The Flyers’ camp starts Aug. 21 and runs through Sept. 3. The NHL camp and rookie tournament will be over by the time the Cats convene for training camp in Prince George on Sept. 9.

 

[Adtar02]

Smith actually has HC experience at a lower level and while it isn't a lot, would have probably been better served as HC of the Phantoms than Lappy and his no experience. I presume he will take over for Lappy once they inevitably promote him elsewhere.

Side note. Lappy lives a block from my sister.

 

[Curufinwe]

Part of this is due to the previous administrations that traded away draft picks and had to bolster their roster by filling in the gaps with FAs where there is always an overpay. (JVR, Hayes, et al). I don't believe that the Rags and teams such as them are going to be in good shape after this season. The RFAs are getting the type of money that only the UFAs were supposed to get when this CBA was put together. All that it takes is for a Toronto to give out crazy cash to Tavares or Edmonton and Chicago to do the same with Nurse and Jones respectively and salaries across the league get out of balance.
The Flyers are soon going to have to make some hard decisions. Based upon salaries handed out this summer, Couturier is going to get $9M+ per on an extension. There's not going to be a lot of cash left over for Giroux on an extension even if JVR is let go. Its why signing Yandle and Thompson were bad moves. Its only $1.7M for the two of them but it is money that needed to be used with players that were already on the roster. But AV needs his vets so money got tighter than necessary. For all teams its going too be tough with a flat cap and revenues that are not going to rise for many organizations. No one can afford to make dumb financial decisions.

Yandle and Thompson have no impact on the cap space available for Couturier and Giroux’s extensions.

And if you replaced them with York/Zamula and Bunnaman/Sandin this season, you would only save a couple hundred thousand dollars against the 2021-22 cap.

 

[deadhead]

Yandle and Thompson have no impact on the cap space available for Couturier and Giroux’s extensions.

And if you replaced them with York/Zamula and Bunnaman/Sandin this season, you would only save a couple hundred thousand dollars against the 2021-22 cap.

Not even that, York is $880K, Zamula $756K, Yandle is $900K.
J Cates is $925M, Sandin is $750K, Frost is $833K, Thompson is $800K

What is interesting is they signed J Cates at $925K, instead of bringing in a cheaper two way deal for depth, that suggests they see him as a legitimate 4th line prospect.

 

[mr4tno]

Yandle and Thompson have no impact on the cap space available for Couturier and Giroux’s extensions.

And if you replaced them with York/Zamula and Bunnaman/Sandin this season, you would only save a couple hundred thousand dollars against the 2021-22 cap.

With those it is not about the savings. It is about development. My opinion only, but players develop in the NHL, period. And initially, there most asuredly be days where they do not look good, but you have to stick with them......Unless they have transformed into these dynamic players Yandle and Thompson have no entertainment value to me. My opinion is these are "watching paint dry" kind of players.....

 

[deadhead]

With those it is not about the savings. It is about development. My opinion only, but players develop in the NHL, period. And initially, there most asuredly be days where they do not look good, but you have to stick with them......Unless they have transformed into these dynamic players Yandle and Thompson have no entertainment value to me. My opinion is these are "watching paint dry" kind of players.....

I'm kinda of the opposite opinion, players develop at the NHL level only after reaching a threshold of competence.

That is, if they're not NHL ready, they'll struggle, lose confidence and lose PT (because unless the team is terrible, HCs won't play struggling players, and if a team is terrible, it's usually a bad learning environment for a young player). So they're better off in the AHL playing a lot of minutes and getting regular practice time. When they're ready, it should be obvious.

Give a simple example, Farabee v Frost, Farabee struggled as a rookie, but was good enough to stay in the lineup and gradually improve, Frost was clearly over his head and needed to play on a regular basis in the AHL. Or Laughton when he first came up at 21, played on a regular basis but his defensive game had too many holes to keep him in the NHL. By 23 he had improved his game to the point where he became a fixture in the bottom six.

 

[BigToe]

Do we have any camp invites?

 

[Magua]

Do we have any camp invites?

You’d make a great camp counselor.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Side note. Lappy lives a block from my sister.

Let's TP the place!

 

[Larry44]

Do we have any camp invites?

They have a list of potential invitees. Hayes is screening them now to make sure they are enough fun in the room to be potential future Flyers. Rumours are that Massachusetts and Minnesota prep school frat boys are being given strong consideration.

 

[deadhead]

Phantom ES scoring the last four years:
2017-18:
Varone 74g, 47 points (22 PP points): 0.64
Carey 72g, 34 points (19 PP points): 0.47
NAK 72g, 43 points: 0.60
Bardreau 45g, 27 points: 0.60
Martel 59g, 33 points: 0.56
Knight 58g, 32 points: 0.55
MV 65g, 27 points: 0.42
Vorobyev 58g, 22 points: 0.38
Lindblom 54g, 19 points: 0.35
Connor 65g, 22 points: 0.34
2018-19:
Varone 22g, 14 points (14 PP points): 0.64
Carey 74g, 31 points (but 30 PP points): 0.42
Connor 72g, 28 points (23 PP points): 0.39
NAK 54g, 26 points: 0.48
Kase 40g, 17 points: 0.43
Vorobyev 42g, 17 points: 0.40
MV 67g, 26 points: 0.39
Bunnaman 62g, 21 points: 0.34
Twarynski 69g, 20 points: 0.29
2019-20:
Criscuolo 40g, 22 points: 0.55
Vorobyev 45g, 21 points: 0.47
Frost 41g, 19 points: 0.46
O'Reilly 52g, 20 points: 0.38
Kase 51g, 19 points: 0.37
Ratcliffe 53g, 11 points: 0.21
Rubtsov 42g, 8 points: 0.19
2020-21:
Allison 10g, 7 points: 0.70
Laczynski 14g, 8 points: 0.57
Wisdom 28g, 12 points: 0.43
Foerster 24g, 10 points: 0.42
Kase 19g, 7 points: 0.37
Sandin 26g, 7 points: 0.27
Ratcliffe 22g, 6 points: 0.27
Willman 30g, 5 points: 0.17

Was surprised how bad Willman was, just shows why I focus on ES, his PP scoring obscures his lack of production 5x5.
Need to take age and experience into account, Vorobyev eventually learned to score at the AHL level, but it never translated.
Interesting that Lindblom struggled moving from the SHL to the AHL, suggests that Sandin may well bounce back.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Thicc boys get shoulder injuries too.

 

[deadhead]

Why did they wait until August?

 

[Rebels57]

Thicc boys get shoulder injuries too.

Offseason surgery for our prospects is practically a right of passage.

 

[dats81]

Do they actually have any durable high profile prospect, just anybody? Asking for a friend

Laberge, Patrick, Frost, Foerster, Wisdom, Zamula (okay, he's a freak and would play with a broken spine)

 

[Tripod]

Do they actually have any durable high profile prospect, just anybody? Asking for a friend

Laberge, Patrick, Frost, Foerster, Wisdom, Zamula (okay, he's a freak and would play with a broken spine)

Laczynski, Allison, Rubstov, Kase, Myers, Morin, etc...

Crazy how long the list is over the last few years.

 

[TB87]

Why does this bullshit keep happening?

The amount of prospects who get significant injuries in this organization has been really high the past however many years.

It’s…….weird/inexplicable

 

[deadhead]

Wisdom is actually explainable, 18 year old who tries to play a physical game against much older, physically mature players is a candidate for injury. In 3 years, the hit that injured him would probably just be shrugged off.

 

[Magua]

Wisdom is actually explainable, 18 year old who tries to play a physical game against much older, physically mature players is a candidate for injury. In 3 years, the hit that injured him would probably just be shrugged off.

It’s August. He probably got hurt working out. Or better yet, as far as narratives go: at the Showcase, against teenagers he easily outmuscles.

These narratives are so trite. Tarasenko, nicknamed “Tank” because he’s 230 lbs, has missed consecutive seasons with shoulder injuries. The human body doesn’t work like this. Anyone can injure anything at any time. Tiny Gourde and Big Tuch are both missing part of next season with shoulder injuries.

 

[Rebels57]

Why does this bullshit keep happening?

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The amount of prospects who get significant injuries in this organization has been really high the past however many years.

It’s…….weird/inexplicable

Its more than high. Its all of them.

 

[deadhead]

It's a rite of passage.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The smallest North American drafted last year is the only healthy one from the class.