Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [Summer 2021 edition]

[iceman42]

Why did they wait until August?

Not saying this is the the reason but alot of times you rehab something and end up making it worse.

 

[TB87]

Its more than high. Its all of them.

Seems like it!

 

[BernieParent]

Why does this bullshit keep happening?

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The amount of prospects who get significant injuries in this organization has been really high the past however many years.

It’s…….weird/inexplicable

The first rule of Flyers Club is you do not talk about Flyers Club.

 

[Curufinwe]

Wisdom is actually explainable, 18 year old who tries to play a physical game against much older, physically mature players is a candidate for injury. In 3 years, the hit that injured him would probably just be shrugged off.

What hit? He hasn’t played in the AHL since May.

 

[deadhead]

The timing of the injury and surgery is a tough break for the winger. It's uncertain when the injury occurred or if it had been lingering, but Wisdom just recently competed at the Team Canada summer showcase, per The Athletic's Scott Wheeler.

Flyers prospect out indefinitely after undergoing shoulder surgery

 

[Tripod]

Great summer showcase for the Flyers.

Foerster: invited but didn't attend due to injury
Desnoyers: invited but didn't attend due to injury
Wisdom: invited, then likely got injured there

 

[Rebels57]

Great summer showcase for the Flyers.

Foerster: invited but didn't attend due to injury
Desnoyers: invited but didn't attend due to injury
Wisdom: invited, then likely got injured there

Tale as old as time

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[CapnZin]

Do we know if there’s a Euro clause in there so he may stay in Liiga or SHL or the league he was playing in? If not, I assume he’s coming to LHV.

 

[deadhead]

They usually sign the Euros then lend them back to their Euro clubs until they want to bring them over.
I think the ELC slides until they're 20, but not sure of the exact details.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Do we know if there’s a Euro clause in there so he may stay in Liiga or SHL or the league he was playing in? If not, I assume he’s coming to LHV.

I assume he will be on loan in Finland. He’s not ready for the AHL. It is odd to give a European second round pick an ELC right after getting drafted. Klimovich got one but Vancouver just wants to get him out of Belarus.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I assume he will be on loan in Finland. He’s not ready for the AHL. It is odd to give a European second round pick an ELC right after getting drafted. Klimovich got one but Vancouver just wants to get him out of Belarus.

Tuomaala is already signed in Finland for next season, so he will be loaned to Karpat and his ELC will slide.

 

[Mara]

Tuomaala is already signed in Finland for next season, so he will be loaned to Karpat and his ELC will slide.

He's got a two year contract. Small frame, just getting his toes wet in pro play, hard to see him transitioning to NA sooner than that tbh. Interesting signing.

 

[deadhead]

I assume he will be on loan in Finland. He’s not ready for the AHL. It is odd to give a European second round pick an ELC right after getting drafted. Klimovich got one but Vancouver just wants to get him out of Belarus.

I think Liiga is rated slightly above the AHL (though some have it slightly below).
SHL is generally rated above the AHL.

 

[Magua]

2 of the 3 leading point getters in Liiga this season were a Canadian, who was a 40 point AHLer, and an American who was the leading ECHL scorer. There’s no way Liiga is higher level than the AHL. I’ve seen equivalency models that say so, but they also list the Czech league as the 3rd best in the world……which doesn’t pass the smell test. NHL equivalency models are based on players going from one league to the next in consecutive years — not hard to see certain high level prospects skewing that in smaller samples.

 

[deadhead]

2 of the 3 leading point getters in Liiga this season were a Canadian, who was a 40 point AHLer, and an American who was the leading ECHL scorer. There’s no way Liiga is higher level than the AHL. I’ve seen equivalency models that say so, but they also list the Czech league as the 3rd best in the world……which doesn’t pass the smell test. NHL equivalency models are based on players going from one league to the next in consecutive years — not hard to see certain high level prospects skewing that in smaller samples.

Oh come on, Lehtera lit up the KHL, and it's definitely rated well above the AHL.
Veteran players learn how to play within the limits of their talent in lower leagues and take advantage of younger players.

I'd say it varies year to year but KHL is tops, then SHL, then AHL/Liiga/Czech.
AHL was better last year b/c of the addition of top CHL players, which may carry over to some extent this season.
But normally that league has its share of stiffs, look at top Phantom scorers, Carey for example?

 

[FLYguy3911]

The quality of Liiga took a hit when Jokerit went to the KHL. It's actually turned into a pretty good league for Junior aged players to develop, but it's a ways off from the NHL.

 

[Mara]

Do we know if there’s a Euro clause in there so he may stay in Liiga or SHL or the league he was playing in? If not, I assume he’s coming to LHV.

Apparently he will be staying in NA after training camp. No proper role for him in his Finnish team and if he's good enough to play at that level then Finnish U20/the second tier men's league is not good enough to really develop him anymore. So, AHL it is to start with I guess.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Seems not ideal.

 

[Rebels57]

Apparently he will be staying in NA after training camp. No proper role for him in his Finnish team and if he's good enough to play at that level then Finnish U20/the second tier men's league is not good enough to really develop him anymore. So, AHL it is to start with I guess.

He won't get a proper role at 18 years old in the AHL under a brand new coach with zero head coaching experience either.

He's definitely be better off in Finland, even if with a different organization.

 

[IronMarshal]

What about a year in the USHL? That would surely be good for his offensive development if possible.

 

[JJTT]

Tuomaala can play in the OHL, Sudbury has his rights.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I’m glad he’s coming to NA. It will be easier to get a read on him in Sudbury & he can start acclimating himself to the new environment. The Flyers can also keep in closer contact.

 

[Rebels57]

Tuomaala can play in the OHL, Sudbury has his rights.

Good to hear. That's a much better option than the AHL for 21-22.

 

[flyersfan02]

Seems like the Flyers don’t trust Karpat in developing him. Isle’s prospect, Raty, signed too. He may be leaving too.