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Geez, look at that second picture. Does it look like he's aiming for the guy's knees? From the look of this it seems he wants to rip the guy's head off.
Vlad The Impaler said:I completely understand where Bertuzzi came from when he went after that little punk Moore and this is the same thing here.
Both actions have unfortunate consequences but this is a direct result of the blindsiders some people are wearing as to the REAL problems hockey is facing, which are definitly not those type of incidents.
The main difference with the Bertuzzi hit is that there is less premeditation but the use of a stick makes upo for it. That's a weapon when used in this fashion and can have devastating consequences.
The problem in hockey is that most fans and hockey players are totally lacking perspective, as shown abundantly over and over again including on this thread. People basically accept that all sorts of crap can happen, until some guy blows a fuse and raises the odds significantly as a result.
Where are you people from, exactly? Where I come from, you don't take crap and turn the other cheek. Everybody and their mother knows that crap like that little punk Stafford tried to pull, swinging sticks carelessly, happens all the time. And if Perezhogin hadn't retaliated we wouldn't hear a thing about this.
He retaliated and Christ, he was right to do so. I would have done the exact same thing. He didn't swing at Stafford's face, anyone with a brain can clearly see that on the replays. But yeah, he wanted to hurt him: WHICH IS WHAT ANYONE WHO IS TIRED OF TAKING CRAP THAT GOES UNPENALIZED IN THIS GAME is doing more and more.
You want to punish Perzhogin for his actions? I think that's fine. It's reprehensible. You think that sort of stuff will go away with a heavy suspension? It won't.
The way to clean the game of hockey is to have those prime dirty, worthless offenders like Stafford, Moore, Marchment etc. pay for their borderline legal but absolutely dirty plays. Because as long as players will be allowed to abuse their opponents and mess with their lives (Moore could have easily maimed Naslund for life and Stafford's attempt was actually WORSE than Perezhogin) I garantee you you will see more and more bonehead plays like the ones by Bertuzzi and Perezhogin.
This league needs to stop obsessing with retaliation and start doing the right things. This isn't isolated to plays leading to injuries. The whole refereeing system is based on retaliation. You punch a guy on the face in front of the referee, no call. The guy punches back: referee sends both guys to the box, or worse, sends only the second guy. What kind of pathetic thinking is that?
Many of the worse incidents in these leagues take place because players are fed up with apathic and downright blind officiating. If you do not have a feeling that the league is backing you up, that the referees protect the players, you've got to stand up for yourself and for your teammates.
Tough luck for Stafford. Next time he takes a blatant, ugly swing at someone's head, he should make sure he doesn't miss.
He had it coming. And if his swing had connected, there would be a major uproar right now and people whining for him to be suspended for life. He is a punk. The league protects them. Good for Perez. He stood for himself. Nobody else will protect you in today's hockey. Shouldn't have hit the face but that's an accident.
Perezhogin is the new Sally Field!
Ottawa Buoy said:Geez, look at that second picture. Does it look like he's aiming for the guy's knees? From the look of this it seems he wants to rip the guy's head off.
X-SHARKIE said:Let somone turn around and wip there stick as hard as they can right in your face....Have a gash the size of the grand canyon on your head ....
then tell me....Oh I had it coming.
MrKnowNothing said:No one "has it coming"
MrKnowNothing said:It was a cowardly cheap shot, just like what Bertuzzi did,
Vlad The Impaler said:Oh yes he had. Clearly evidenced on this video.
You probably mean... just like STAFFORD. You know?
3 seconds earlier? Or does that not register?
SabresIn05 said:This is false. Stafford's intent was far less than Perezhogin's
MrKnowNothing said:After watching it again, it seems 100% clear that Perezhogin knew what he was going to do. He seemed to pause a split second before driving his stick into Stafford's face.
I don't give a flying crap what else went on in the game. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT PEREZHOGIN DID! NONE!
Challenge the guy to a fight, check him into the boards. Don't swing your stick at his face. Anyone who defends him is a joke.
sonnytheman said:if you watch the video again, you'll see he swung before Stafford turned around. Took me a few viewings, but that's what I saw. It still was for the head, but hitting the helmet is different than hitting the face. He definitely did not pause, look at Stafford's face, then swing.
Catcher.In.The.RyE said:Hits are going too far... because some people aren't doing their job
:cough: Refs :cough:...
Penalties are so rare... Players keep doing cheap shot and aren't penalized, so every players reply to each other, and it ends with hits like that...
MrKnowNothing said:Look at the second picture in the post a little ways back.
MrKnowNothing said:Maybe so, but that has no bearing on nor is no excuse for making the decision to smash your stick into another person's face.
MrKnowNothing said:What Stafford did was horrible as well, but it doesn't mean "he had it coming." I don't buy into that crap at all.
That doesn't have any effect on what Perezhogin did. You can't do that, and no one deserves to have their face bashed in with a hockey stick. By the logic you are using, you and I should get together and go find Perezhogin and bash his face in with a stick, because he has it coming, right?
Sorry, I don't buy into that tripe. I don't believe in an eye for an eye.
For the record, I agree with what you are saying about cleaning the game up in general. But to say someone has something like this coming to them is appauling to me. There is completely no excuse for what this guy did or what anyone else did. Plain and simple, cut and dry, black and white.
Vlad He had it coming. QUOTE said:This is the single must disgusting and insane thing I have ever seen written here. Shameful and astonishing.
The rest of your point is lost in this one totally stupid statement.
This one goes beyond your usual vlad. I am sorry i took the time to even read your post.
Vlad The Impaler said:Oh yes he had. Clearly evidenced on this video.
You probably mean... just like STAFFORD. You know?
3 seconds earlier? Or does that not register?
Vlad The Impaler said:I am glad that you are agreeing with me on that last part. because this was the bulk of my message. It doesn't really matter what people think of my views. Perhaps you are a better human being than I am as far as "eye for an eye" is concerned. I can be very nasty, and I can hold grudges for a long time.
I think we can all agree that the best course of action is to make sure there is no reason for violence to escalate in hockey. I don't want hockey to turn into a wussy sport but at the same time, I want it to be cleaned of undesirable reflexes. Guys are now poking opponets in the face with their sticks on a regular basis.
I'm usually more surprised when there is a game without stickwork than a game with stickwork. It's an epidemic. The legal hits to the head... they've got to find ways to prevent that. It's just not right. Basically, just make hockey the beautiful game it can be. Hard clean checks to the upper body. It can be a contact sport without becoming an overly dangerous sport. Nobody wants to see guys in wheel chairs or otherwise incapacitated for the rest of their lives.
The way it is right now, I am positive that we will see more and more incidents like these. Most of the players are nice guys. They really are. But you put anyone in that environment... you can't be sure how they'll react. The competitive juice flows and all of a sudden it takes over.
There is no respect anymore in the NHL, and it's time for a overhaul of the philosophy of the sport. Referees and the league are not helping either.