Proposal: Pens - Oilers Trade

[Phil68]

With Yakupov sitting for the Oilers, and the Pens having some foward injury issues, i think the Oilers could budge if we would trade one of our young "D" prospects with a 2nd rounder for Yakupov... Mind you for Yak did do fairly well scoring last year...

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[pensfan71]

Yes...trade a 1st overall pick with unreal talent for a "D" prospect and a 2nd that I'm pretty sure we do not have....never gonna happen, unless of course you're willing to give up Pouliot...and they'll probably ask for a forward in return

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I think there could be something plausible here, but our entire team philosophy would have to alter in order for Shero and co. to want something like this.

Yakupov doesn't know how to 'grind dem *****es down', so it's a problem.

This organization values Tanner Glass more than Nail Yakupov.

 

[Sidney BrOSSby*]

Let's wait for Neal.

 

[Frederick Stanley]

A d-prospect (even if it's Maatta) and a late 2nd rounder doesn't even get close what the Oilers would want for Yakupov. Besides, we don't need him on Sutter's wng.

 

[gdsmack267]

Yea this will never happen

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

“I’m going to play my game,†he said. “I’m not going to change but maybe play better without the puck, or forecheck more, but I love playing with the puck. I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don’t think it’s my game.â€

Being anti-skating and anti-forechecking is a little worrisome. That's a pretty integral part of NHL hockey.

 

[Frederick Stanley]

“I’m going to play my game,†he said. “I’m not going to change but maybe play better without the puck, or forecheck more, but I love playing with the puck. I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don’t think it’s my game.â€

Being anti-skating and anti-forechecking is a little worrisome. That's a pretty integral part of NHL hockey.

He really said that?

 

[Zirakzigil]

Zero chance he gets traded here. The Oilers are going to want more than Shero will ever be willing to give up for him.

 

[Waffle Fries]

Yes...trade a 1st overall pick with unreal talent for a "D" prospect and a 2nd that I'm pretty sure we do not have....never gonna happen, unless of course you're willing to give up Pouliot...and they'll probably ask for a forward in return

I doubt that. They need defense.

I would do Orpik + D prospect of their choice + a pick in a hypothetical situation where this could actually happen and he wouldn't be played as a LW or in the bottom six.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

“I’m going to play my game,†he said. “I’m not going to change but maybe play better without the puck, or forecheck more, but I love playing with the puck. I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don’t think it’s my game.â€

Being anti-skating and anti-forechecking is a little worrisome. That's a pretty integral part of NHL hockey.

I think he got kind of screwed by being ESL, there; and bad journalism. Not to mention that's what it looked like their team style was last night.

That being said, I'm not sure where he would go. Malkin already has Neal who doesn't work well with Crosby, and if he's anything like that quote or what Edmonton seems to do then he probably wouldn't work with Crosby. Bylsma aside. Third line is a waste and he'd probably struggle with the defensive responsibility.

He's probably still pretty malleable, though, Edmonton just isn't a good team to really make him a better player. I guess if we somehow got a space for him and fixed Bylsma then we might be able to develop him for Crosby. I don't like his salary.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I think he got kind of screwed by being ESL, there; and bad journalism. Not to mention that's what it looked like their team style was last night.

That being said, I'm not sure where he would go. Malkin already has Neal who doesn't work well with Crosby, and if he's anything like that quote or what Edmonton seems to do then he probably wouldn't work with Crosby. Bylsma aside. Third line is a waste and he'd probably struggle with the defensive responsibility.

He's probably still pretty malleable, though, Edmonton just isn't a good team to really make him a better player. I guess if we somehow got a space for him and fixed Bylsma then we might be able to develop him for Crosby. I don't like his salary.

In theory, spending time on Crosby's right wing should do wonders for a guy like Yakupov. But the theory holds no water, as we know.

 

[pensfan71]

In theory, spending time on Crosby's right wing should do wonders for a guy like Yakupov. But the theory holds no water, as we know.

Anyone spending time on Crosby's wing would to wonders for them...look at Dupuis

But yeah, if its possible to get this guy AND put him on Sid's wing, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but let's be realistic, he's not being traded for what we have to offer.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

He really said that?

Yes, as reported by the Edm newspaper. I don't know if it's out of context or a bad translation, but it doesn't portray him in the best light. Very similar to Filatov's comments.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Honestly, I'd love it if the Penguins shocked everyone and took a "chance" on Yak. The Oilers are a miserable team and don't seem particularly great at bringing their young players along. Some of that is by necessity... they need these guys now, after all and can't really afford to let them marinate for a while. Yak has sublime offensive ability and I really don't put too much stock into those quotes. He is basically saying that he prefers to play the game in the offensive end. Whoopie. So does every forward.

All that said... it's more likely that the team begins the process of transitioning Crosby over to goaltender (bloodlines!) than it is that they trade even their lowliest prospect for Yak. For good or ill... he just doesn't fit their profile.

Not only that but I don't really know if Yak is truly on the block, there. And I'm even less convinced that the Penguins would actually have the assets to get it done if he is.

 

[orby]

It would take Maatta + for the Pens to get Yakupov. I don't think that's gonna happen.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

It would take Maatta + for the Pens to get Yakupov. I don't think that's gonna happen.

It would take quite a bit more than that imo. 2012 1st overall pick will cost any team a fortune.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Is Edmonton's GM someone Shero could take advantage of? I feel like he is, and the team has got to be pretty desperate.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Shero has gone 'all in' for a wing in the past. Hossa comes to mind. But it is a specific type of wing. Again Hossa comes to mind. Yak is not that type of wing, so you can forget about it.

And in all honesty I actually agree. Scoring is not this teams problem. We already outscore everyone and it is not even close. Adding a guy who supposedly can score and do little else would not add much to this team. Certainly not add much toward fixing why this team exits the playoffs early year after year.

 

[DegenX]

Guys, guys .. I've got this
Based on trade rumors, Yakupov and Simmonds are being shopped.

CapGeek has Yakupov's caphit at $3,775,000 when you go use the roster generator, so ... Yakupov for Duper + Nisky. Oil gets a solid 2-way guy in Duper who can PK and play all positions if need be (with Cup experience!) and a young D in Nisky. Works out that they'd be taking on most of Nisky's salary, which they have space for. For us, it finally breaks up KCD and potentially gives Sid a winger. If Yak doesn't work with Sid, he can be swapped with BB on Geno's line.

Simmonds for Orpik & Jeffrey. Yeah, it's a deal with Philly, but one I think would be tilted in our favor. Hate to give up Jeffrey, though.

And look at all the cap space we'd have!

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Nail Yakupov ($3.775m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Chuck Kobasew ($0.550m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Rob Scuderi ($3.375m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.538m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,155,001; BONUSES: $2,850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,994,999


Yeah ... never gonna happen

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Posting from 20,000 feet or so btw. First time I tried this. Am over Arizona somewhere. God are we spoiled and geeky. Can not even keep away from our computers on a plane flight.

 

[orby]

Guys, guys .. I've got this
Based on trade rumors, Yakupov and Simmonds are being shopped.

CapGeek has Yakupov's caphit at $3,775,000 when you go use the roster generator, so ... Yakupov for Duper + Nisky. Oil gets a solid 2-way guy in Duper who can PK and play all positions if need be (with Cup experience!) and a young D in Nisky. Works out that they'd be taking on most of Nisky's salary, which they have space for. For us, it finally breaks up KCD and potentially gives Sid a winger. If Yak doesn't work with Sid, he can be swapped with BB on Geno's line.

Simmonds for Orpik & Jeffrey. Yeah, it's a deal with Philly, but one I think would be tilted in our favor. Hate to give up Jeffrey, though.

And look at all the cap space we'd have!

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Nail Yakupov ($3.775m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Chuck Kobasew ($0.550m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Rob Scuderi ($3.375m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.538m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,155,001; BONUSES: $2,850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,994,999


Yeah ... never gonna happen

That...is actually a pretty tantalizing idea, although I guess it remains to be seen whether Yak will actually live up to his hype. And I don't think Yakupov is going to be moved for Dupuis+Niskanen - Edmonton already has a lot of good forwards, it's their defense that needs to be primarily addressed.

 

[SEALBound]

Lines would and should be:

Kunitz-Crosby-Simmonds
Yakopov-Malkin-Neal
Bennett-Sutter-Jokinen

To be honest anything of this caliber would be something like:

Fleury + Harrington/Pouliot + Engo

For

Yakupov + Dubs + 2nd

 

[Frederick Stanley]

Shero has gone 'all in' for a wing in the past. Hossa comes to mind. But it is a specific type of wing. Again Hossa comes to mind. Yak is not that type of wing, so you can forget about it.

And in all honesty I actually agree. Scoring is not this teams problem. We already outscore everyone and it is not even close. Adding a guy who supposedly can score and do little else would not add much to this team. Certainly not add much toward fixing why this team exits the playoffs early year after year.

Yeah, we outscore everyone in the regular season. Playoffs, another story. A guy like Yak would help tremendously with that, provided he can cope with the hard hitting style in the playoffs.

That's a question mark, but to say he wouldn't help us at all is a bit too much.

 

[pensfan71]

Wayne Simmonds...on Sidney Crosby's wing with Chris Kunitz...gaddamn what a nice picture