Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Youth movement is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face"

[Andy99]

The Pens basically have the same record as Montreal, a rebuilding team …let that sink in…at this point they need to start winning 2/3 of their games, or take 4 out of every 6 points from here on out, to make the playoffs…Sullivan should be fired over the PP because they’re not going to get those results with the current PP

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The Pens basically have the same record as Montreal, a rebuilding team …let that sink in…at this point they need to start winning 2/3 of their games, or take 4 out of every 6 points from here on out, to make the playoffs…Sullivan should be fired over the PP because they’re not going to get those results with the current PP

We all expected this team to be a borderline playoff team. None of this was really too unexpected, but if they miss by a wider margin than last year, that's a good thing imo. Better pick, and it pretty much leaves the organization to fire Sullivan or we all just accept he's as much a part of the core as Crosby is.

 

[PensandCaps]

Not sure I get the obsession with Raddysh. He's just a filler player getting minutes on a bad team he'd probably be a HS here.

No way he'd be getting the PP time he gets in Chicago. Seems like another 13th F In the mold of Alex Nylander.

 

[Pancakes]

We all expected this team to be a borderline playoff team. None of this was really too unexpected, but if they miss by a wider margin than last year, that's a good thing imo. Better pick, and it pretty much leaves the organization to fire Sullivan or we all just accept he's as much a part of the core as Crosby is.

Better pick doesn't matter unless it ends up being top 10. Otherwise, it's going to San Jose.

 

[BusinessGoose]

They could get top ten

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

To add, I don’t even disagree with the idea that they should be looking for another bottom-6 addition. My thought is that they need to focus more on getting a bottom-6 guy that can help address their powerplay though, hence why I mentioned Raddysh earlier today.

But in the end, not having a guy like Granlund or Kessel on the 3rd line is absolutely not a problem this team has. Even if you take out the fact that both of those guys stink (Granlund has a 0.56 5v5 points/60 this year, no joke), they already have that kind of play driver for the 3rd line already: Zohorna. I have full confidence in Zohorna driving that 3rd line based on what he has shown me so far this year.

What would you say to Kessel on the 4th line and as a PP specialist aka Sprong?

 

[Andy99]

From Sportsnet’s Power Rankings…the one word beginning is supposed to reflect the “mood” around the team…let’s hope they’re right lol…

16. Pittsburgh Penguins (10-10-1) Tense. After the Penguins missed the playoffs for the first time since 2006, this season began with a serious sense of urgency. We’ve seen two coaching changes in the NHL this season and it feels like we’re a four-game Penguins skid from a third.

 

[vodeni]

From Sportsnet’s Power Rankings…the one word beginning is supposed to reflect the “mood” around the team…let’s hope they’re right lol…

16. Pittsburgh Penguins (10-10-1) Tense. After the Penguins missed the playoffs for the first time since 2006, this season began with a serious sense of urgency. We’ve seen two coaching changes in the NHL this season and it feels like we’re a four-game Penguins skid from a third.

in Dubas we trust!

 

[SomeDude]

From Sportsnet’s Power Rankings…the one word beginning is supposed to reflect the “mood” around the team…let’s hope they’re right lol…

16. Pittsburgh Penguins (10-10-1) Tense. After the Penguins missed the playoffs for the first time since 2006, this season began with a serious sense of urgency. We’ve seen two coaching changes in the NHL this season and it feels like we’re a four-game Penguins skid from a third.

So we’ve officially hit the Panda watch stage

 

[Empoleon8771]

What would you say to Kessel on the 4th line and as a PP specialist aka Sprong?

That’s not the kind of PP specialist I think they’re missing.

I think Rakell should be filling that role when he’s healthy. They need a Hornqvist type of guy.

 

[chethejet]

The problem is the cap. With no move that looks to be an upgrade unless someone is traded which Rakell can't LTIR and really who can they move anyway. Rust playing better and has a NMC. I just think the question for Dubas is two fold, is Sullivan the issue on the PP and is Guentzel really worth an extension of 8 AAV without Sid? Second part is no. I move him if the Pens are just not making traction here. Get a physical LW, a top pick and revisit the LW issue in the off season when the cap is 18 million and only a couple small signings are needed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not sure I get the obsession with Raddysh. He's just a filler player getting minutes on a bad team he'd probably be a HS here.

No way he'd be getting the PP time he gets in Chicago. Seems like another 13th F In the mold of Alex Nylander.

Raddysh isn't even a remotely comparable player to Nylander.

Go watch clips of Raddysh's goals from last year. He's a terrific net front guy, which is a major need for this team. He's only a 4th line caliber producer at 5v5, but he's a monster net front guy on the powerplay.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

That’s not the kind of PP specialist I think they’re missing.

I think Rakell should be filling that role when he’s healthy. They need a Hornqvist type of guy.

Eh, I don't think Rak's (or Jake or Rust) is the net front guy. To me it's either JC or Z to be the screener.

I know Kessel will never happen bc Sully hated him, but here's my reasoning:

1. If this team is insistent on being a "perimeter" PP team then there is no better perimeter guy than Kessel. His shot and his passing are still on point. It's his legs that are done.
2. We talked yesterday about bringing on a lesser 5 v 5 guy in exchange for their proficiency on the PP

But I am in no way advocating they bring on a perimeter type player. I think this team needs more net-front guys. But it seems no one wants to go there so if you're going all in on being a perimeter setup, just go nuclear with it...

 

[Empoleon8771]

Eh, I don't think Rak's (or Jake or Rust) is the net front guy. To me it's either JC or Z to be the screener.

No, I meant that Rakell should be the left half-wall guy, which is the role Kessel would be taking. They need another Hornqvist to be the net front guy, because they don't have anyone who is good at it.

Guentzel is too weak and small and Zohorna doesn't use his size well enough to be effective in the role. They need to go outside of the organization to find someone who fills that role.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

From Sportsnet’s Power Rankings…the one word beginning is supposed to reflect the “mood” around the team…let’s hope they’re right lol…

16. Pittsburgh Penguins (10-10-1) Tense. After the Penguins missed the playoffs for the first time since 2006, this season began with a serious sense of urgency. We’ve seen two coaching changes in the NHL this season and it feels like we’re a four-game Penguins skid from a third.

Seems Sportsnet doesn't realize how beloved Sullivan is by the organization or the casuals around Pittsburgh.

No, I meant that Rakell should be the left half-wall guy, which is the role Kessel would be taking. They need another Hornqvist to be the net front guy, because they don't have anyone who is good at it.

Guentzel is too weak and small and Zohorna doesn't use his size well enough to be effective in the role. They need to go outside of the organization to find someone who fills that role.

Honestly, I liked the idea of trying Acciari in that role. He's not tall, but he's built like a fridge and is tough enough to handle the abuse. Plus, he's actually pretty good at potting garbage/stuff around the net.

It's these types of outside-the-box moves I wish the club would try instead of just sticking with the same unit minus switching out Rust/Rakell or Karlsson/Letang.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

No, I meant that Rakell should be the left half-wall guy, which is the role Kessel would be taking. They need another Hornqvist to be the net front guy, because they don't have anyone who is good at it.

Guentzel is too weak and small and Zohorna doesn't use his size well enough to be effective in the role. They need to go outside of the organization to find someone who fills that role.

I'm lukewarm on the Rak on the left wall. You definitely need a RHS. I'd pick Rust or even EK/Letang before placing Rak in such a critical position.

Agree with your Jake comment. But I'm hoping that Z could grow and develop an ability to be a screen guy. I don't think he's ever been asked to play such a role in his career.

But man they have to do SOMETHING. Trying the same shit is just insanity at this point

 

[Josey Wales]

Seems Sportsnet doesn't realize how beloved Sullivan is by the organization or the casuals around Pittsburgh.


Honestly, I liked the idea of trying Acciari in that role. He's not tall, but he's built like a fridge and is tough enough to handle the abuse. Plus, he's actually pretty good at potting garbage/stuff around the net.

It's these types of outside-the-box moves I wish the club would try instead of just sticking with the same unit minus switching out Rust/Rakell or Karlsson/Letang.

SporstNet thinks Rob Rossi is Hockey Insider for Pens

 

[Gurglesons]

Seems Sportsnet doesn't realize how beloved Sullivan is by the organization or the casuals around Pittsburgh.


Honestly, I liked the idea of trying Acciari in that role. He's not tall, but he's built like a fridge and is tough enough to handle the abuse. Plus, he's actually pretty good at potting garbage/stuff around the net.

It's these types of outside-the-box moves I wish the club would try instead of just sticking with the same unit minus switching out Rust/Rakell or Karlsson/Letang.

I think FSG will not allow us to do nothing after basically investing 100+ million on top of their 1 billion dollar investment to make us a playoff team and Dubas can't make a trade.

 

[SEALBound]

Hate to say it...but I think what this team needs is Corey Perry. If you can get him in for league min, or close to, he fits the bill quite well for what we lack.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Geno-Rakell
Zohorna-Eller-Perry
Nieto-Accari-Hinostranza

PP1: Sid (low), Geno (point), Karlsson (point), Jake (wall), Perry (in front)

 

[Darren McCord]

Hate to say it...but I think what this team needs is Corey Perry. If you can get him in for league min, or close to, he fits the bill quite well for what we lack.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Geno-Rakell
Zohorna-Eller-Perry
Nieto-Accari-Hinostranza

PP1: Sid (low), Geno (point), Karlsson (point), Jake (wall), Perry (in front)

Ya but no one is touching Perry until the situation is clear.

 

[Sideline]

Hate to say it...but I think what this team needs is Corey Perry. If you can get him in for league min, or close to, he fits the bill quite well for what we lack.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Geno-Rakell
Zohorna-Eller-Perry
Nieto-Accari-Hinostranza

PP1: Sid (low), Geno (point), Karlsson (point), Jake (wall), Perry (in front)

Without knowing what went down it's hard to say if I would take him. But Perry the hockey player would be a really nice fit.

 

[SEALBound]

Ya but no one is touching Perry until the situation is clear.

I imagine his agent knows and will disclose it if a GM asks. Not like Dubas is trying to get his player news from HFBoards or Sportsnet.

 

[Andy99]

We’ve changed 60% of the roster and this team has worse results than last season…the only constant are three HOF players who are playing well (but still well below their primes) and the coach…those three HOF players have NMCs and have committed to this team…the coach has lifetime tenure apparently…Corey Perry isn’t going to help this team but firing the coach might lol…

 

[SomeDude]

We’ve changed 60% of the roster and this team has worse results than last season…the only constant are three HOF players who are playing well (but still well below their primes) and the coach…those three HOF players have NMCs and have committed to this team…the coach has lifetime tenure apparently…Corey Perry isn’t going to help this team but firing the coach might lol…

But what if we bring Corey Perry in as the new coach?

 

[Andy99]

But what if we bring Corey Perry in as the new coach?

I’d give him a shot…he might develop someone as a net front presence on the PP and if not, at least we’ve got a whole lot more boinking going on, which is always fun…

speaking of fun, where is our GDT for this game?