Confirmed with Link: Penguins Sign Cody Ceci, 1 Year $1.25M AAV

[OnMyOwn]

How do his “fancy” stats look so far this year? I’ve seen individual game info but not a season one.

 

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Next off season, Caps sign Cody Ceci to a 5 year 3.5 million dollar contract, full no movement.

Are they gonna have room after adding Sceviour on a 4 year, $12m deal?

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I think they need to sign Ceci so that they have a defenseman that meets the criteria of games played over the past two seasons.

It's either trade for one or leave Pettersson available in the expansion draft and that does not sound like a good idea. I like Matheson and I want to protect him. Maybe I am crazy in that regard.

And for reference, due to Dumoulin being broken all the time he has not and will not play enough games. Even if they pro-rate them per the games played for the league.

They could also shove Ruhwedel into a bunch more games to get there as well.

 

[Will Hunting]

OK, there is enough of a proof to me already. I am sold. Give this guy an extension. He´s been supersolid for us all year. I don´t think it´s coincidence either. He´s making very good plays constantly.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Part of me is worried Ceci turns into a dumpster fire, like he has been in his entire career up until this year, the moment pen goes to paper with an extension. Part of me says you have to risk it, because this defense without his presence would be a mess beyond the Dumo-Letang pairing.

 

[madinsomniac]

I think they need to sign Ceci so that they have a defenseman that meets the criteria of games played over the past two seasons.

It's either trade for one or leave Pettersson available in the expansion draft and that does not sound like a good idea. I like Matheson and I want to protect him. Maybe I am crazy in that regard.

And for reference, due to Dumoulin being broken all the time he has not and will not play enough games. Even if they pro-rate them per the games played for the league.

They could also shove Ruhwedel into a bunch more games to get there as well.

Dumping one 4 million dollar defenseman is needed for next year and Petts fits that mold

 

[Flying Dego]

Dumping one 4 million dollar defenseman is needed for next year and Petts fits that mold

Petts needs gone one way or another. Too much expense. I'm all for trying to get Ceci back at a modest amount. Petts spot needs to be a young guy on a minimal contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

If we are making knee jerk reactions we should be getting rid of Marino before Pettersson because he is getting completely abused against the playoff teams in our division.

 

[Will Hunting]

If we are making knee jerk reactions we should be getting rid of Marino before Pettersson because he is getting completely abused against the playoff teams in our division.

So yeah, let's get rid of Marino and his 4M-ish ass. Let's keep Petts on that pair and he will carry the young cheap guy next year there. We are golden.

 

[Gurglesons]

So yeah, let's get rid of Marino and his 4M-ish ass. Let's keep Petts on that pair and he will carry the young cheap guy next year there. We are golden.

I’d prefer to get rid of neither. We are legitimately in no danger of icing a near identical roster next year cap wise.

That’s without assuming Seattle takes Zucker.

 

[Night Shift]

Petts needs gone one way or another. Too much expense. I'm all for trying to get Ceci back at a modest amount. Petts spot needs to be a young guy on a minimal contract.

I'm for moving on from Petts to retain Ceci. But like you said we need him on a modest deal

 

[Flying Dego]

If we are making knee jerk reactions we should be getting rid of Marino before Pettersson because he is getting completely abused against the playoff teams in our division.

Let's get rid of both free up 8M and play two young D. Then spend 6M to bolster the forwards even more. Good thinking.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

I’d prefer to get rid of neither. We are legitimately in no danger of icing a near identical roster next year cap wise.

That’s without assuming Seattle takes Zucker.

We have ~$3.2 million to sign four players, for next season. We will also want some space to fill in for the inevitable injuries.

 

[Jacob]

I like the idea of keeping this blueline together. They’ve all been good and Reirden seems to know how to employ them.

 

[Peat]

How do his “fancy” stats look so far this year? I’ve seen individual game info but not a season one.

Best place to look - Cody Ceci - Summary - Natural Stat Trick - Set to relative so you can see where he is compared to team average, but rates is better for a general picture. They're really good in any case.

People keep talking about getting him back for fairly cheap and I'm thinking this is pretty optimistic unless all 31 other teams have nobody who could look at NST same as half the people here or, hell, just look at the NHL stats and notice he's on the first page for +/-. He's not going to go under the radar. He's going to get some serious offers. I would love it if he stayed here for a discount but whatever happens next, he's earned it and some.

 

[HandshakeLine]

He's going to get some serious offers. I would love it if he stayed here for a discount but whatever happens next, he's earned it and some.

I think it all comes down to convincing Ceci he'd rather stay here and have success than a payday. Obviously not an easy sell, but dumbasses like me make that kind of decision on occasion.

 

[ottawah]

Part of me is worried Ceci turns into a dumpster fire, like he has been in his entire career up until this year, the moment pen goes to paper with an extension. Part of me says you have to risk it, because this defense without his presence would be a mess beyond the Dumo-Letang pairing.

His entire career has not been as bad as people say. Generally he has be a very solid defensive presence and despite given very limited opportunities offensively has at times produced as a 2nd pairing D. Even this year he is 25th among all D men in even strength points.

The narrative he has been terrible is largely from people who do not seem to grasp that when you play against McDavid and Panarin all the time instead of players like Jankowski you are going to be made a fool of on a nightly basis. At times with the sens he was playing historically tough minutes. Granted the last 1.5 years in Ottawa it did largely come off the rails, but that also co-incided with the trading of his D partner, Phaneuf who was at least capable, and him being paired with Claesson and Harper. Going up against McDavid for 20 minutes a night with Ben Harpur as your D partner would have decimated any NHL D men, past or present ....

Toronto last year was not the greatest, but he was brought in to play a strict D presence behind Reilly, and when he could not cover that he was lambasted. But he is not a single shutdown D, he is limited and has to work in a pairing with someone else responsible, and he did not have that. Perhaps the most telling stat last year was he had the highest QOC on the Toronto D, and the lowest GA/60. Even moreso, every regular D, when paired with Ceci had a high QOC than without, yet their GA/60 went down.

I would never describe his as a defensive specialist, but when paired with another like defensively minded player, he is a very solid defensive presence. And despite limited opportunities, he can produce points. He is 49th among all D men for the last 7 years for even strength points, despite commonly playing a sub 40% offensive zone starts and largely being thrown out in purely defensive situations. Which leads to those that have seen him play a bit saying that cut down on the minutes, give him a capable (and willing) defensive partner, take a bit of the defensive load off of him, and he should give a solid performance. Teams the last few years have been playing him to his weaknesses rather than his strengths, and I believe what you are seeing now may be the best he can be, but its still a pretty solid player. If anything I'd be more worried that the minutes and wear and tear are going to start to wear him down sooner or later. He has been highly durable thus far, but those tough minutes eventually will wear him down quicker than the average D man.

 

[Ms Maggie]

His entire career has not been as bad as people say. Generally he has be a very solid defensive presence and despite given very limited opportunities offensively has at times produced as a 2nd pairing D. Even this year he is 25th among all D men in even strength points.

The narrative he has been terrible is largely from people who do not seem to grasp that when you play against McDavid and Panarin all the time instead of players like Jankowski you are going to be made a fool of on a nightly basis. At times with the sens he was playing historically tough minutes. Granted the last 1.5 years in Ottawa it did largely come off the rails, but that also co-incided with the trading of his D partner, Phaneuf who was at least capable, and him being paired with Claesson and Harper. Going up against McDavid for 20 minutes a night with Ben Harpur as your D partner would have decimated any NHL D men, past or present ....

Toronto last year was not the greatest, but he was brought in to play a strict D presence behind Reilly, and when he could not cover that he was lambasted. But he is not a single shutdown D, he is limited and has to work in a pairing with someone else responsible, and he did not have that. Perhaps the most telling stat last year was he had the highest QOC on the Toronto D, and the lowest GA/60. Even moreso, every regular D, when paired with Ceci had a high QOC than without, yet their GA/60 went down.

I would never describe his as a defensive specialist, but when paired with another like defensively minded player, he is a very solid defensive presence. And despite limited opportunities, he can produce points. He is 49th among all D men for the last 7 years for even strength points, despite commonly playing a sub 40% offensive zone starts and largely being thrown out in purely defensive situations. Which leads to those that have seen him play a bit saying that cut down on the minutes, give him a capable (and willing) defensive partner, take a bit of the defensive load off of him, and he should give a solid performance. Teams the last few years have been playing him to his weaknesses rather than his strengths, and I believe what you are seeing now may be the best he can be, but its still a pretty solid player. If anything I'd be more worried that the minutes and wear and tear are going to start to wear him down sooner or later. He has been highly durable thus far, but those tough minutes eventually will wear him down quicker than the average D man.

Thx. Very informative post.

 

[wgknestrick]

Ceci is great on the 3rd pair where he has a little more time to make passes and the minor mistakes aren't as costly because bottom 6ers can't finish as well. Every single D man on this team has been good-great this year and I see no reason to ship anyone out on purpose. We could lose any 1 of them (Letang included) and still win games. Ceci also has way better bottom 6 forwards (defensively) playing with him now and is in a legit system too. I hope he can continue his Matt Niskanen trajectory here, but I caution against signing him long term. Totally fine giving him another 1year deal with pay raise (2-3mil) and verbally committing to more with relative performance from him. His fancy stats are decent, but not consistently good with every player.

I'm pretty sure Ceci wants to win a cup more than make money he already has.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Let's get rid of both free up 8M and play two young D. Then spend 6M to bolster the forwards even more. Good thinking.

Could you guys use this.

Your scaring me.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I really really really hated this signing and questioned it big time!! Just saying ...

I really hope he get's a well deserved extension, nothing crazy but keep him around for our 3rd pair, seems like he is well liked as well in the room.

3 years 2 million per..

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Ceci is great on the 3rd pair where he has a little more time to make passes and the minor mistakes aren't as costly because bottom 6ers can't finish as well. Every single D man on this team has been good-great this year and I see no reason to ship anyone out on purpose. We could lose any 1 of them (Letang included) and still win games. Ceci also has way better bottom 6 forwards (defensively) playing with him now and is in a legit system too. I hope he can continue his Matt Niskanen trajectory here, but I caution against signing him long term. Totally fine giving him another 1year deal with pay raise (2-3mil) and verbally committing to more with relative performance from him. His fancy stats are decent, but not consistently good with every player.

I'm pretty sure Ceci wants to win a cup more than make money he already has.

In case you haven't noticed the Matheson-Ceci pairing has been used as the 2nd pairing.

I agree all 6 defensman are good. I really would love to keep them all together after we win the Cup this year!!!

Protect Matheson and it might not be our choice. I could see them taking Pettersson. They are not going to get 6 better younger defensman than him in expansion draft. I really think if Pettersson is exposed they take him over Zucker and Tanev. He is much younger and can play on their 2nd pairing.

So all this talk about keeping all 6 is not going to happen. I would sign Ceci to keep with Matheson unless that pairing bombs in the playoffs. If they keep this play up you have to try and sign him. Of course he would want to stay because he is going to get some bidders that can pay more. Unfortunately I think he will leave for the money. Hope I am wrong.

 

[The Old Master]

I would never describe his as a defensive specialist, but when paired with another like defensively minded player, he is a very solid defensive presence. And despite limited opportunities, he can produce points. .

he has been a "good fit" hear. i hope he understands that and takes less to stay here.

 

[DrDangles]

Really hope we can keep him on the cheaper side. Would love something in the 2 year 5M range. Gives him the chance to play for a contender he fits with and build his value back up for a bigger UFA contract as he's turning 30.

 

[LOGiK]

Part of me is worried Ceci turns into a dumpster fire, like he has been in his entire career up until this year, the moment pen goes to paper with an extension. Part of me says you have to risk it, because this defense without his presence would be a mess beyond the Dumo-Letang pairing.

Maybe he's the kinda guy that needs the pressure of possibly being out of the league or contract is up and he is playing much harder / effective / watever....

He was kinda playing for his life this year, BUT... to be fair, most everyone in the NHL has to be playing as if they can be passed out by the next man up process.
Just like all the ex-player interviews... where they say the pressure gets unbearable....

Who knows what it is with CC.



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Kind off topic kinda not... I am leaning more and more into the sign players year to year kind of deal... Well.... it's kinda been like that outside of the core... but those albatross contracts... yo.... that is one way of avoiding them.