Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich: Part VI

[AirGut]

We'll lock him up for another 4-5 years easy. Guy is fan favorite and a positive locker room influence, also you can just tell he loves it here. The only way we trade him is if it's getting a young stud C in return, think Necas or Yamamoto. A deal similar to when Drouin was traded for a young stud D would make sense considering we are in deep need for C support but I'm sure we can find it in other ways. Also, none of those teams will likely entertain it so we should just keep him. Trading him for picks and prospects would be a massive mistake. The only thing that makes me concerned is if Kravtsov comes in and is truly a difference maker. At that point we have a bit of a logjam at RW.

 

[n8]

Still waiting for the first forward we drafted since Tony Amonte to actually hit 60 for us in a season

oh geez, is it that bad? how many forwards did we draft and then trade that have hit that mark more than once? Guessing it's just Savard, Weight, and Kovalev

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

oh geez, is it that bad? how many forwards did we draft and then trade that have hit that mark more than once? Guessing it's just Savard, Weight, and Kovalev

JT Miller last season. And Marchant

 

[n8]

JT Miller last season. And Marchant

more than once was my stipulation. But it shows just how small the list is.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

more than once was my stipulation. But it shows just how small the list is.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[NYSPORTS]

We'll lock him up for another 4-5 years easy. Guy is fan favorite and a positive locker room influence, also you can just tell he loves it here. The only way we trade him is if it's getting a young stud C in return, think Necas or Yamamoto. A deal similar to when Drouin was traded for a young stud D would make sense considering we are in deep need for C support but I'm sure we can find it in other ways. Also, none of those teams will likely entertain it so we should just keep him. Trading him for picks and prospects would be a massive mistake. The only thing that makes me concerned is if Kravtsov comes in and is truly a difference maker. At that point we have a bit of a logjam at RW.

Hoping for the Center.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not sure how anyone can think it's even possible to lock him up. We have a salary cap. When we signed Kreider to that massive contract and we won the lottery, Buch became an afterthought.

Best thing is Buch is making is value sky high, especially being a RFA still. Buch, who has emerged as a legit 1st line player, and a B tier prospect should absolutely be able to yield a top center prospect.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

26 points now in 27 games. His game went through roof the last half or so of this season.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Not sure how anyone can think it's even possible to lock him up. We have a salary cap. When we signed Kreider to that massive contract and we won the lottery, Buch became an afterthought.

Best thing is Buch is making is value sky high, especially being a RFA still. Buch, who has emerged as a legit 1st line player, and a B tier prospect should absolutely be able to yield a top center prospect.

If the Rangers really want to keep him, they'll find a way.

That said, if he can be traded for a top center prospect, definitely have to consider it.

 

[Nickmo82]

I guess this guy demanding $9million a year in my Franchise mode is legit.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[eco's bones]

The cap will be flat for every team. Buch isn’t likely to get much better from another team than he will from us. He could try holding out but there will be only so much money in the marketplace. He’ll get a raise but I think he and a lot of other players or going to find themselves playing at a discount or not playing at all.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Guess we'll see more calls of Kravstov to switch to C

 

[kovazub94]

Not sure how anyone can think it's even possible to lock him up. We have a salary cap. When we signed Kreider to that massive contract and we won the lottery, Buch became an afterthought.

Best thing is Buch is making is value sky high, especially being a RFA still. Buch, who has emerged as a legit 1st line player, and a B tier prospect should absolutely be able to yield a top center prospect.

Sign Buch to covid adjusted contract WITHOUT giving NTC clause and move it when his replacements (who hopefully have similar level of performance at that point) are due for big bucks.

 

[haveandare]

Cycling out vets for kids is fine, but ppg players demand some extra thought. Imo you try to sign him with no NTC or you move him for a clear 2C, not a potential one

 

[kovazub94]

26 points now in 27 games. His game went through roof the last half or so of this season.

Nope. Same level as at the start of the season. Yet again it shows that you can't take very short time periods to project full season statistical performance. Too many things go into generating one actual goal that are out of players control. From a different perspective there are hundreds of plays during one team game but only single digits goals are being generated. Over a long course like full season or so if you make right plays more often than not than it should translate into goals and assists but it's not necessarily true over a short period of time. And vice versa.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's gonna suck when we move on from him and in a few years Lafreniere is Daigle and Kakko is Marcel Hossa.

 

[Rangers in 7]

We'll lock him up for another 4-5 years easy. Guy is fan favorite and a positive locker room influence, also you can just tell he loves it here. The only way we trade him is if it's getting a young stud C in return, think Necas or Yamamoto. A deal similar to when Drouin was traded for a young stud D would make sense considering we are in deep need for C support but I'm sure we can find it in other ways. Also, none of those teams will likely entertain it so we should just keep him. Trading him for picks and prospects would be a massive mistake. The only thing that makes me concerned is if Kravtsov comes in and is truly a difference maker. At that point we have a bit of a logjam at RW.

honestly you take out blackwell and put kravtsov there....everyone wins

however in two years youll have a problem

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Moving him is still the way.

Strome too.

 

[Peltz]

Sign Buch to covid adjusted contract WITHOUT giving NTC clause and move it when his replacements (who hopefully have similar level of performance at that point) are due for big bucks.

You're going to need to pay him a premium if you're not going to give him a NTC. I don't know if we really have the cap space.

I love Buch (who doesn't? especially after this year), but I agree that the Kreider contract plus draft lottery considerations make him a dispensable bargaining chip for an elite-talent center. Strome is not going to be on the team long term, and you will need a replacement when that contract expires.

I know people don't want to hear this after a 9-0 win, but I still see us as sellers at the deadline.

 

[kovazub94]

You're going to need to pay him a premium if you're not going to give him a NTC. I don't know if we really have the cap space.

I love Buch (who doesn't? especially after this year), but I agree that the Kreider contract plus draft lottery considerations make him a dispensable bargaining chip for an elite-talent center. Strome is not going to be on the team long term, and you will need a replacement when that contract expires.

I know people don't want to hear this after a 9-0 win, but I still see us as sellers at the deadline.

I hear you but we're talking semantics now. You say "premium" (which is generally viewed as a basis which is then "discounted" if there's NTC) I counter with an adjustment for the flat cap for the foreseeable future. In either case the key is no NTC and there will be room under the cap for at least a couple of seasons until kids are due big bucks.

On the other hand if there's a premium center (as in close to Buch's current performance) that's available as Buch's replacement - then I'd be game.

 

[EXTRAS]

What cap do u expect? 5.5-6.5?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If you want to keep Buchnevich, you keep him for a shorter deal ala the one Strome just got last year.

That way you're not plugging up a spot long term and hes still moveable if he takes a step back.

We're going to need those dollars down the line. Locking him up long term would be a really bad idea.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If you want to keep Buchnevich, you keep him for a shorter deal ala the one Strome just got last year.

That way you're not plugging up a spot long term and hes still moveable if he takes a step back.

We're going to need those dollars down the line. Locking him up long term would be a really bad idea.

Or you could sign him long-term and if the Kakko's of the world show they can replace him trade him in a couple years if necessary. There shouldn't be an issue cap-wise until Lafreniere needs a contract.

 

[Gargyn]

With Brendan Smith off the books, a trade or demotion of DeAngelo and a trade of Strome, I don’t see how you can’t afford to sign Buchnevich to around 6 and still get a better centre than Strome. Lundkvist will be entry level and be great. Shesterkin won’t be getting a big raise. Chytil won’t get a big raise. Pretty easy if you ask me. Problem is there aren’t any good centres through free agency but maybe move Kakko, Kravtsov, Strome, 1st and Reunanen for Eichel.

Panarin Eichel Gauthier (I could see him doing well on this line)
Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Lafreniere Chytil Blackwell
Lemieux Howden PDG

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Schneider Lundkvist

Shesterkin Georgiev