Player Discussion: Patrik Laine - MOD WARNING IN OP

[DRW204]

He has been looking way better in his play without the puck. Also I feel he has has shown more discipline with puck control and limiting the turnovers. the ESL 2.0 line is on fire, it seems like they can get to the high-danger scoring areas/the slot at will, and Laine is converting all those chances.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I'm reminded of that ancient proverb,
"If Patrik Laine scores a goal, and there is no red light to turn on, does the goalie even know?"

This is actually quite true. In the previous game on sports net, one of laine’s goals went in and out so fast I didn’t see it and sportsnet was talking about something else and then sort of low key , said goal.

I don’t know that he scored until seconds later.

 

[Halberdier]

So is this game and hat trick big news in Finland today?

Hot streak for Laine, Barkov and Rantanen has been quite big news in Finland so you'll bet this hat trick will be also. Finnish national broadcast company Yle had not one but three separate articles on that hat trick and reactions by Swedish newspapers(!) on their front page all day long.

For example yesterdays Aamulehti, Tampere region newspaper had half of its front page and 2 more pages about Laine fighting for the Rocket Richard trophy. Mind you, Laine was 5 goals behind then. Apparently Selänne (x3) and Kurri are the only other Finnish NHL goal scoring leaders.

Also Barkov got a fair share as "the best Finnish ice hockey player" and according to the paper should win Selke this season or at least in next 5 years or otherwise there has to be a conspiracy against him.

Both Laine and Barkov are from Tampere and played for Tappara so they get more pages on Tampere newspapers than eg. Rantanen that is from Turku.

 

[Ducky10]

God damn he's fun to watch these days, I don't give a crap about anything else. His shifts are becoming can't miss events.

I'm honoured to be self appointed President of his fan club.

 

[Ducky10]

McLennan gets it, his analysis on the differences in Pate's game were spot on........or maybe he just reads HF Jets

 

[Halberdier]

Maybe someone already told it, but I really like the attitude Hendricks "protected" Laine by having a fight after a hard hit attempt towards Laine. Laine did evade that hit though.

Like Scheifele did jump on McCabe and Laine did jump on someone that gave a blind side hit to Scheifele. It tells you story about how these guys care about each others.

 

[Snowsii]

Good article:

Patrik Laine puts NHL on notice with pedigree, personality of next great goal scorer

And another:

One-man show: Laine gets trick in Jets' 3-0 win vs Rangers

Second link said; third overall pick in 2016 draft

 

[Vekke]

@Halberdier
Can this fight be found somewhere?

 

[kelsier]

All I will say is, if someone dug up his playing history all the way from Finland to international ice and eventually at the NHL - then added everything together - what he / she would find would be something surreal. What a magnificent talent.

 

[ijuka]

This is actually quite true. In the previous game on sports net, one of laine’s goals went in and out so fast I didn’t see it and sportsnet was talking about something else and then sort of low key , said goal.

I don’t know that he scored until seconds later.

Watching the 2 goals vs Lundqvist in slow-mo, he was barely in butterfly by the time the puck was past him in both instances without him having made the slightest movement towards the puck, and he's supposed to be a reaction goalie.

I guess the idea is to be big and cover as much as possible. Or to guess where he'll shoot.

 

[Vekke]

One totally non-hockey related question. I have been wondering how Patty and Nik are doing so much stuff with Audi while Toyota is official sponsor. I would be furious if I was working at Toyota PR.

 

[Ducky10]

Lol, busted.

 

[Halberdier]

One of his His XG numbers has him around 48% this year... If we had a team full of guys like this we would be loosing more often than winning.

Bolded is not true. XG doesn't count the ability to score. I just guess Scheifele and Wheeler have even lower XG%, but that doesn't turn them bad players. Looking for shot charts by Laine also tells you that he can beat the goalies from a far without a screen so essentially he can turn many low-XG chances into high-XG chances, and he did that also back in FEL.


Just use WAR(82) if you need a decisive stat on someones contribution on winning. Laine had huge WAR numbers last season, and I guess his numbers are quite good this season as well. The only problem is these stats are hidden somewhere under a rock and you cannot pretty much find those unless some stats guy tweets them after a season.


Let's forget the fact that Laine has been great on PP, contributing to victories. If we take into account only the 5-on-5, Laine has +17 goal difference (I see that empty netters do not count). Buff has +12, Perreault +11. Stastny has +10, but most of that are from his previous team. I don't think you can ask more from a player.

 

[Asmola]

So is this game and hat trick big news in Finland today?

Well, this is from biggest finnish news site..

 

[FinRanger]

Watching the 2 goals vs Lundqvist in slow-mo, he was barely in butterfly by the time the puck was past him in both instances without him having made the slightest movement towards the puck, and he's supposed to be a reaction goalie.

I guess the idea is to be big and cover as much as possible. Or to guess where he'll shoot.

In Rangers broadcast they analyzed Laine's shot. Former goalie Steve Valiquette said Laine's shot is very hard for the goalie because he turns his blade at the end of shot. Lundqvist said the same thing in post game interview. He thought Laine would go for the glove but then he turned the blade just before the puck left his stick. Don't remember what goal he was talking about. So it is not only about the velocity and pure accuracy of the shot.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Lol, busted.

LOL, that's funny. What's a 19 year old to do.....

 

[Howard Chuck]

In Rangers broadcast they analyzed Laine's shot. Former goalie Steve Valiquette said Laine's shot is very hard for the goalie because he turns his blade at the end of shot. Lundqvist said the same thing in post game interview. He thought Laine would go for the glove but then he turned the blade just before the puck left his stick. Don't remember what goal he was talking about. So it is not only about the velocity and pure accuracy of the shot.

I remember watching his replays last year, and it seemed that he doesn't make the decision regarding location of the shot, until the very last second. So what is said above makes sense. He can have his head down through the whole play and just glance as the puck is leaving his stick. Most shooters are planning their shot long before that point.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Lol, busted.

And like it was on cue Romaniuk says "Laine's got a pair" at exactly the right moment

Blind squirrels really do get occasional acorns

 

[Kinjero]

@Halberdier
Can this fight be found somewhere?

 

[Laineux]

One of his His XG numbers has him around 48% this year... If we had a team full of guys like this we would be loosing more often than winning.

Uh, what does expected goals mean when the player can shoot at 20% shooting further from almost any player in the NHL? That is completely ignoring Laine's powerplay impact as well.

 

[pucka lucka]

xG, at least one of the xG formulas take shooter history into account. Laine's high shooting % history will factor into his current xG

 

[Laineux]

At 5vs5 Laine's xgf +/- is -2.4.

Laine's individual expected goals for is 9.3 and his actual goals for is 19.

Laine's slightly negative xgf% is massively outdone by his shooting quality.

xG, at least one of the xG formulas take shooter history into account. Laine's high shooting % history will factor into his current xG

Corsica's doesn't, which is the only public one AFAIK.

 

[pucka lucka]

At 5vs5 Laine's xgf +/- is -2.4.

Laine's individual expected goals for is 9.3 and his actual goals for is 19.

Laine's slightly negative xgf% is massively outdone by his shooting quality.



Corsica's doesn't, which is the only public one AFAIK.

Laine's xG numbers should self correct over time as he has more shooting history...

 

[Laineux]

Laine's xG numbers should self correct over time as he has more shooting history...

In the more advanced models, but Corsica's model which people use here doesn't account for shooter quality.

 

[DuckyChuck]

In Rangers broadcast they analyzed Laine's shot. Former goalie Steve Valiquette said Laine's shot is very hard for the goalie because he turns his blade at the end of shot. Lundqvist said the same thing in post game interview. He thought Laine would go for the glove but then he turned the blade just before the puck left his stick. Don't remember what goal he was talking about. So it is not only about the velocity and pure accuracy of the shot.

I tend to watch the home team's broadcast when the Jet's are playing out of town, and I have never heard a broadcast duo gush over an opposing team player as much as they did about Laine. During the intermissions and post-game, they talked about him more than all the Ranger's players combined. The first question they ask Hank is about Laine and then had like 3 follow-up questions, all with regards to Laine. If MSG is calling the game against NJD, it could be another Laine love-fest.