Patrik Laine II: The Roof Still is Still On (for now)

[VT]

Keep in mind this is obviously him thinking out loud. Not reporting anything

Logical. Florida had terrible PO.
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Btw IMHO Duclair doesn`t have to be resigned.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not opposed to moving Laine this summer but the return better at least approximate a young 40-goal scoring forward.

 

[EspenK]

Keep in mind this is obviously him thinking out loud. Not reporting anything

How about for Wennberg, Duclair & Nutivaara?

 

[MissADD]

Larsen is obviously is just not playing his hand, but he at least plans on having Laine here.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Remember back a few months ago when many on here hoped Barkov would follow Laine to Columbus? Good time, good times...

 

[Beezeral]

Remember back a few months ago when many on here hoped Barkov would follow Laine to Columbus? Good time, good times...

That was never happening though. Opposing fans dreams of Barkov wanting to leave the Panthers died the second the season started and the Panthers played like a legit top 10 team the entire 56 games

 

[VT]

Larsen is obviously is just not playing his hand, but he at least plans on having Laine here.

IMHO stupidity. Laine showed he can be more than one-way player with an excelent shot. But in spite of development his qualities what would make the team better Larsen wants to return him to his one way play and give him the best players although he doesn`t it.

 

[Dough72]

IMHO stupidity. Laine showed he can be more than one-way player with an excelent shot. But in spite of development his qualities what would make the team better Larsen wants to return him to his one way play and give him the best players although he doesn`t it.

I think one flukey season with 20 powerplay goals got everyone's expectations out of wack and they always end up disappointed if Laine doesn't repeat it. He will probably never touch 20pp goals again even Ovechkin has only been over 20 three times his entire career. And Steve Stamkos only once. Teams should be happy if Laine hits 10-15pp goals and maybe 30+ overall along with way better passing and playmaking than he gets credit for.

 

[VT]

I think one flukey season with 20 powerplay goals got everyone's expectations out of wack and they always end up disappointed if Laine doesn't repeat it. He will probably never touch 20pp goals again even Ovechkin has only been over 20 three times his entire career. And Steve Stamkos only once. Teams should be happy if Laine hits 10-15pp goals and maybe 30+ overall along with way better passing and playmaking than he gets credit for.

Ys but he can more. Remember how we could use his body around the board, transition for example. Nobody wants he will win Selke trophy but he can be more than a PP player.

 

[CBJx614]

IMHO stupidity. Laine showed he can be more than one-way player with an excelent shot. But in spite of development his qualities what would make the team better Larsen wants to return him to his one way play and give him the best players although he doesn`t it.

How is it stupidity. Laine is good at scoring goals. Trying to make him something he's not didn't work for Torts and from listening to most Jets fans, Maurice did the same thing. Set him up for success and by him in a position to succeed. He needs to gain his confidence back.

 

[LoneFunyan]

IMHO stupidity. Laine showed he can be more than one-way player with an excelent shot. But in spite of development his qualities what would make the team better Larsen wants to return him to his one way play and give him the best players although he doesn`t it.

I don't understand what there is to be upset about with regard to what Larsen said. He basically said, in different terms "We're going to set Laine up to succeed". He didn't note any specifics like saying he'll be a PP specialist only, or will only be on the ice in during 5-on-3s when we have the puck or anything. All he said was, effectively, "he's a player with potential who needs the right surroundings to prosper, and we're going to make that happen."

Which tends to imply Larsen thinks Laine was set up to fail this past season, dovetailing with a lot of the common wisdom about Laine's performance.

 

[Fro]

I read it as "we will find a playmaker for him"

 

[VT]

I don't understand what there is to be upset about with regard to what Larsen said. He basically said, in different terms "We're going to set Laine up to succeed". He didn't note any specifics like saying he'll be a PP specialist only, or will only be on the ice in during 5-on-3s when we have the puck or anything. All he said was, effectively, "he's a player with potential who needs the right surroundings to prosper, and we're going to make that happen."

Which tends to imply Larsen thinks Laine was set up to fail this past season, dovetailing with a lot of the common wisdom about Laine's performance.

I hope you`re right.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Good coaches adapt their coaching/ styles / system to get the most out of the player or personnel he has . Let’s face it , Torts was horrible at this , and Larsen appears to get it , which is a huge relief . It’s hilarious to read the opinions of what they feel Laine is , or isn’t . All I can tell you is that when he was first brought in, and was playing with confidence , he was a threat to score on every shift , few games later the mind games began with Torts.

 

[VT]

Good coaches adapt their coaching/ styles / system to get the most out of the player or personnel he has . Let’s face it , Torts was horrible at this , and Larsen appears to get it , which is a huge relief . It’s hilarious to read the opinions of what they feel Laine is , or isn’t . All I can tell you is that when he was first brought in, and was playing with confidence , he was a threat to score on every shift , few games later the mind games began with Torts.

Torts also wanted to develop the things that Patrik could do, but they weren't used. I think he would be successful.

 

[Monstershockey]

Good coaches adapt their coaching/ styles / system to get the most out of the player or personnel he has . Let’s face it , Torts was horrible at this , and Larsen appears to get it , which is a huge relief . It’s hilarious to read the opinions of what they feel Laine is , or isn’t . All I can tell you is that when he was first brought in, and was playing with confidence , he was a threat to score on every shift , few games later the mind games began with Torts.

When Laine got benched the first time, like you say the mind games began, he responded well from that, 7 points in his next 6 games. Then he played like garbage for the rest of the season pretty much. This isn't a confidence issue. Saying a player is playing without confidence is just a polite way of saying they are playing like crap. Laine played like crap. For all we know it could be Laine that wants to learn to be an all around player and he is struggling right now to become that. Lets see what happens this off season and what he works on to become a better player. I would like to see him be better in more areas and become tougher to defend against. That would serve him better also when contract talks come up.

 

[VT]

When Laine got benched the first time, like you say the mind games began, he responded well from that, 7 points in his next 6 games. Then he played like garbage for the rest of the season pretty much. This isn't a confidence issue. Saying a player is playing without confidence is just a polite way of saying they are playing like crap. Laine played like crap. For all we know it could be Laine that wants to learn to be an all around player and he is struggling right now to become that. Lets see what happens this off season and what he works on to become a better player. I would like to see him be better in more areas and become tougher to defend against. That would serve him better also when contract talks come up.

If a player loses confidence he plays like crap. Laine really lost it. Such a season can be with anyone. Now it will be important how he reacts to it, but I think he will play really good.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

If a player loses confidence he plays like crap. Laine really lost it. Such a season can be with anyone. Now it will be important how he reacts to it, but I think he will play really good.

He already bounced back from one absolutely atrocious season. I've faith.

 

[Jan]

If a player loses confidence he plays like crap. Laine really lost it. Such a season can be with anyone. Now it will be important how he reacts to it, but I think he will play really good.

You are right, it is about how he response to everything working against him.

Because of his way of reacting with in the season, making me very worried and
his weaknesses was surely exposed, especially by Carolina, Florida and more and that is surely something he would have to work on.

 

[VT]

You are right, it is about how he response to everything working against him.

Because of his way of reacting with in the season, making me very worried and
his weaknesses was surely exposed, especially by Carolina, Florida and more and that is surely something he would have to work on.

I doubt if he had problems on free ice it was for play thiese teams when in other games against these teams he could be great. IMHO it was psychology.
But... it isn`t important. If he wants to be a great player he must learn to conquer it. He must be consistent be a leader of the team. Simply said he has to work very much.

 

[Jan]

Laine could play great against Carolina/Florida/Tampa... but then play bad against these teams then great again and then bad. Sometimes he can play great in the first period and bad in the second, improve in the third as in the game with Florida when Torts benched him although he had 1+1. Besides in one game he plays excelent under hard forchecking and in another game tragical on the free ice... . IMHO it isn`t about his hockey qualities but about psychology. But not about lazy, Brad Larsen said he tried often too much.

Yes, but I am concerned about how easily some was picking the puck from hum.
Yes he was very inconsistent, as most of the team.
Still there are reasons for both worries and hope....

For both CBJ and Laine, let us hope for greatness

About the benching, then it is not just about Laine, but also about setting a team standards. Both for team behavior and expectation. We do not know what happen, but Laine has admitted that he went over a line in his behavior.
So the benching was OK and in fact needed, to also state the example not just to Laine.
That should be that, no more and no worse.

There is nothing that can destroy a team, more than the leaders on the team have behavioral freedom than other. It simply destroy the teams internal trust.

I actually think that both Tort and Laine deal with that in a proper way.

We can discuss other issues, but that one was done as I as a leader think is proper.
Other situation could be discussed.

 

[Jan]

I doubt if he had problems on free ice it was for play thiese teams when in other games against these teams he could be great. IMHO it was psychology.
But... it isn`t important. If he wants to be a great player he must learn to conquer it. He must be consistent be a leader of the team. Simply said he has to work very much.

Oh by the way, congratulation with World Cup to you "Sumia", of Finland.
Well done.

 

[VT]

Yes, but I am concerned about how easily some was picking the puck from hum.
Yes he was very inconsistent, as most of the team.
Still there are reasons for both worries and hope....

For both CBJ and Laine, let us hope for greatness

About the benching, then it is not just about Laine, but also about setting a team standards. Both for team behavior and expectation.

It was his problem and not his hockey`s qualities. Btw Brad Larsen said very interesting things. (from around 11 minute)
We see... IMHO CBJ can sorry this season but not another (I don`t mean an injury). Simply said, he has to work hard on himself. Really very hard. It`s very good he stayed and work witch coaches here.

 

[VT]

Oh by the way, congratulation with World Cup to you "Sumia", of Finland.
Well done.

I`m sorry I don`t understand. I`m Slovak ... look at my avatar. And I can't wait for Samuel Knazko to arrive. Although, Rookie camp is at the end of August, but then we play the qualification for the Olympics (26-29.08.) with Belarus, Poland and Austria. Hmm... .

Btw, right....Kňažko - Knazhko, Chára - Khara, Černák - Chernak, Jaroš - Yarosh.

 

[Monstershockey]

If a player loses confidence he plays like crap. Laine really lost it. Such a season can be with anyone. Now it will be important how he reacts to it, but I think he will play really good.

I hope he does. I am on the side of not trading him, but I want to see how he comes back next year. Staying in Columbus for a bit and working there gives me hope that he is serious on improving his game and wanting to stay there, but he really has some work to do to improve on last year.