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Urgh...
So Cormier never get's a chance to play in the NHL? Give the kid a break.
Urgh...
agreed. coudln't tell what the clip was (no youtubes here) but I've always remembered this about him.
From all instances it sounds like he's made big strides in getting away from these kind of decisions. One poster recently had suggested getting cormier to "walk the line" but how he isn't really that kind of a player, I'm pretty sure this incident is why.
I don't think we'll see this kind of play from Cormier again, which might take away from his ability to play the "line-walking pest" role, but either way, i think i'd rather have a strong defensive forward then the pest.
I'm interested to see how he does in his audition, whenever it is
I strongly suspect that even if Thorburn is replaced the Jets will still have a forward who plays the least amount of minutes.
And if the Jets could trade Thorburn for someone who was tougher and a better hockey player, I'm sure they would.
And good grief, I'm no luddite but these are hockey teams, not science projects. Does every single discussion have to revolve around these precious advanced stats? It seems like it's all I read about on here.
Seriously... "but fighting has not been proven to influence the outcome of a hockey game in a consistent manner." Someone tell the players, coaches, and GMs that have been doing this their whole life.
We have a tougher and better hockey player already. Also, bigger, faster and younger. His name is Peluso, and he will spell the end of Thorburn. I don't mind having a guy who can chuck knuckles in the lineup but he had better be able to play, and Thorburn is not a good enough hockey player, especially when he posts no hitters.
I strongly suspect that even if Thorburn is replaced the Jets will still have a forward who plays the least amount of minutes.
And if the Jets could trade Thorburn for someone who was tougher and a better hockey player, I'm sure they would.
And good grief, I'm no luddite but these are hockey teams, not science projects. Does every single discussion have to revolve around these precious advanced stats? It seems like it's all I read about on here.
Seriously... "but fighting has not been proven to influence the outcome of a hockey game in a consistent manner." Someone tell the players, coaches, and GMs that have been doing this their whole life.
So Cormier never get's a chance to play in the NHL? Give the kid a break.
I strongly suspect that even if Thorburn is replaced the Jets will still have a forward who plays the least amount of minutes.
And if the Jets could trade Thorburn for someone who was tougher and a better hockey player, I'm sure they would.
And good grief, I'm no luddite but these are hockey teams, not science projects. Does every single discussion have to revolve around these precious advanced stats? It seems like it's all I read about on here.
Seriously... "but fighting has not been proven to influence the outcome of a hockey game in a consistent manner." Someone tell the players, coaches, and GMs that have been doing this their whole life.
I like Peluso better than Thorburn too so far. But he's hurt right now so he can't replace anybody. The team was doing pretty good with Thorburn and Peluso in the lineup for a few games there too.
And I think it's a bit premature to assume that Peluso is a better player than Thorburn after just a handful of NHL games.
Never! Not until Machacek gets his 4th and 5th chances!
I strongly suspect that even if Thorburn is replaced the Jets will still have a forward who plays the least amount of minutes.
And if the Jets could trade Thorburn for someone who was tougher and a better hockey player, I'm sure they would.
And good grief, I'm no luddite but these are hockey teams, not science projects. Does every single discussion have to revolve around these precious advanced stats? It seems like it's all I read about on here.
Seriously... "but fighting has not been proven to influence the outcome of a hockey game in a consistent manner." Someone tell the players, coaches, and GMs that have been doing this their whole life.
They have. Which is why all the smart teams in the league have gone away from goons and staged fights. Only stupid teams like the Maple Leafs or terrible terrible teams like Flames and Oilers still use they and try to lure teams into staged fighting.
First, by all accounts, Thorburn is good in the locker room.
Second, the coach said his fight last night was a motivator (Anti-fighting activists hate it, but sometimes a fight works that way - particularly when a second degree guy like Thorburn neutralizes a league super heavy like Orr).
Third Thorburn is arguably not the worst guy on the roster this year nor last year (see Wright and Glass if stats are the case against Thorburn).
Fourth. He doesn't cost much.
IMOs are fine; absolutes beg research.
But that is all besides the point. In the end it all comes to this:
There are many tough and/or agitative hockey players who are well known for having either the ability to contribute to the team offensively and/or defensively in addition to their character and truculence.
I would rather have that.
The skillset I saw from Peluso leads me to believe he will overtake Thorburn in everyones minds fairly quickly when he returns. He has good footspeed, decent hands and shot, and looks like he can actually clear the puck (which Thorburn seems incapable of).
The only question mark is whether Peluso will be a consistent hitter. Honestly, it seems pretty simple for someone who is this close to the NHL to just hit to stay in the lineup but you see so many guys (like Tangradi) refuse to do it. Just baffles the mind.
To be honest, I don't think it's a huge task to be better than Thorburn.
LOL. So if they're good teams that fight a lot, they're still stupid? You also forgot about Boston, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and soon Ottawa that will be stupid and good teams. As opposed to smart and good teams that are boring to watch.
There's more than one style of hockey that can be successful. You just prefer the wimpy and boring style.
Not if they will be fighting for the same roster spot.Aren't arguments about Thorburn kind of OT in the Cormier thread?
Regarding Cormier, Keith McCambridge was just raving about his play over the past two months on 1290 this morning, says he has been their best player on a bad team, has done everything the organization has asked of him. Was deserving of the call-up in his view. [/paraphrasing]
I thought he was a lot stronger along the boards, but we haven't seen enough to know if that will carry over long term.Disagree. Peluso was mediocre in his games, but I certainly did not see anything in his skating or puck protection any better than Thorburn. We'll see.
How did Slater break his hand?
I agree with that. In the meantime I'm glad we have Thorburn. He is better than nothing.
Aren't arguments about Thorburn kind of OT in the Cormier thread?
Regarding Cormier, Keith McCambridge was just raving about his play over the past two months on 1290 this morning, says he has been their best player on a bad team, has done everything the organization has asked of him. Was deserving of the call-up in his view. [/paraphrasing]
They have. Which is why all the smart teams in the league have gone away from goons and staged fights. Only stupid teams like the Maple Leafs or terrible terrible teams like Flames and Oilers still use they and try to lure teams into staged fighting.
Disagree. Peluso was mediocre in his games, but I certainly did not see anything in his skating or puck protection any better than Thorburn. We'll see.
Get yourself educated before making statements like this.
Really? So who is the goon that stages fights on Boston, Philadelphia, St. Louis or Ottawa? Please tell me. None of those teams use fighting as a intimidator, nor does it play into their strategy like Toronto or Edmonton trying to be tough using goons.
You really have no idea who I am or what I want. I have no problem with fighting when it's for a reason, but it has been shown that fighting does not really motivate a team like some think it does (Peluso's stupid scrap anybody?) and it DOES NOT intimidate anybody. Nobody on our team backed down from those big scary meanies Toronto dressed in Orr and McLaren did we? No, because nobody gives a ****. Fighting is the most overrated attribute, fans are the only ones who think your team is "tough" since they have fighters or fight a lot.
True tough team is like LA or BOS. The grind it out, they battle out front, they clog up the middle of the ice. You get the puck on your stick and you will be hit. They come after you hard with every line always attacking. You will have to battle for every inch every time you play them. That is toughness, that is how you want to play the game of hockey. That's what makes it a ***** to play those teams, they never let up. Toughness derived from fighters or fighting is a mirage.
but is he better then cormier - that's where this all started