Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron III

[Dr Hook]

I generally like you as a poster... please tell me this is sarcasm.

What @Lobster57 said. It's too good not to run with a little bit I have seen some pretty heinous hot takes on this forum over the years, but I think that Taro Tsujimoto's masterpiece on this subject is the worst I've ever seen.

 

[missingchicklet]

What @Lobster57 said. It's too good not to run with a little bit I have seen some pretty heinous hot takes on this forum over the years, but I think that Taro Tsujimoto's masterpiece on this subject is the worst I've ever seen.

I generally try to avoid low-hanging fruit, but it has been impossible for me to resist that piece of fruit.

 

[Dr Hook]

I generally try to avoid low-hanging fruit, but it has been impossible for me to resist that piece of fruit.

That one wasn't even low-hanging, it was already on the ground and had rolled onto the sidewalk

 

[Lobster57]

What @Lobster57 said. It's too good not to run with a little bit I have seen some pretty heinous hot takes on this forum over the years, but I think that Taro Tsujimoto's masterpiece on this subject is the worst I've ever seen.

it's definitely in the running.

 

[Bruinaura]

They didn't use the best one

Please don't ever do that again, Bergy

 

[Bruinaura]

I'm just gonna leave this here

Just building the Selke file

 

[Fenway]

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[PB37]

The missed games/points/potential accolades are starting to pile up for Bergeron because of things that have happened in his career that were out of his control, such as being a player during the time of one and a half lockouts, the suspended season due to coronavirus, and the missed season from being hit from behind by Jones. That's like what, over 200 games right there? He should be a 1000+ point player right now.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

The missed games/points/potential accolades are starting to pile up for Bergeron because of things that have happened in his career that were out of his control, such as being a player during the time of one and a half lockouts, the suspended season due to coronavirus, and the missed season from being hit from behind by Jones. That's like what, over 200 games right there? He should be a 1000+ point player right now.

1000+ point player only because he’s playing with superstars like Marchand+Pasta and scoring EN goals.

 

[BruinDust]

Not sure if this has been posted yet:

Why Bruins' Patrice Bergeron still holds title of best defensive forward - Sportsnet.ca

 

[ON3M4N]

1000+ point player only because he’s playing with superstars like Marchand+Pasta and scoring EN goals.

LOL Marchand doesn't even come close to the player he is today without Bergy to mentor him.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Not sure if this has been posted yet:

Why Bruins' Patrice Bergeron still holds title of best defensive forward - Sportsnet.ca

Meanwhile, he's the best at his role on the PP as well:

 

[Trap Jesus]

Active 30-goal season streaks:

1. Ovechkin - 15
2. Kucherov - 5
T-3. Matthews - 4
T-3. McDavid - 4
T-3. Pastrnak - 4
T-6. Bergeron - 3
T-6. Connor - 3
T-6. MacKinnon - 3

 

[Bruinaura]

And his nose has probably been broken 16 times

At least three that I can recall, anyway. Ouch...

 

[Trap Jesus]

So I got about 20 games into the Coyle puck protection compilation before I started to think my time would be better served doing a joint Bergy/Marchy exercise. I'm looking at defensive play by Bergy and puck handling by Marchand, like mainly quick cut stuff where he's using his strength and agility to weave in and out of people. NHL's stat keeping is really bad for giveaways/takeaways so going shift by shift. Super time consuming, but hoping to get it all compiled this month before the NHL access thing runs out. There's enough of an overlap there to get the Marchy stuff.

I'm up to 27 plays for Bergeron after 5 games LMAO. I'm not doing literally every touch or anything but just stuff that leads to change of possession, more of the notable stuff. Not gonna be a sexy video but just something different, will be good for people that really like the nuts and bolts of the game. The Marchy one will be a lot sexier.

Opponent	Date	Period	Time Start	Time End	Description
Dallas	Oct 2	1	452	437	Battle in corner, puck to safe spot
Dallas	Oct 2	2	1620	1604	Multiple Steals
Dallas	Oct 2	2	650	641	Break-up, D-zone clear
Dallas	Oct 2	2	056	050	Neutral zone block SH
Dallas	Oct 2	3	1255	1250	Block, D-zone clear
Dallas	Oct 2	3	1026	1020	Block, D-zone clear
Arizona	Oct 5	1	125	119	Digs puck out, feeds marchand, GOAL
Arizona	Oct 5	2	1940	1936	Diving pokecheck for breakout
Arizona	Oct 6	2	1515	1509	Dzone positioning in slot leads to pass breakup, clear
Arizona	Oct 8	2	823	815	Heads up SH breakout pass
VGK	Oct 8	1	1352	1347	SH pass break up clear
VGK	Oct 8	1	1118	112	Neutral zone mid air pass pick off
VGK	Oct 8	1	850	840	Forecheck, steal, pass GOAL
VGK	Oct 8	2	1604	1558	PK read, clear
VGK	Oct 8	2	505	458	Strength on puck for ozone entry
VGK	Oct 8	3	1050	1042	positioning takes away slot chance
COL	Oct 10	2	1620	1607	Slot read, leads to chance other way
COL	Oct 10	2	1338	1320	PK sequence with Marchy
COL	Oct 10	2	122	116	Strips Landeskog, safe clear
COL	Oct 10	3	1616	1607	Pressure behind net leads to safe breakout
COL	Oct 10	3	1210	1204	Stands up to Avs at blueline, leads to transition
COL	Oct 10	3	645	640	Backcheck on MacK, transition
NJD	Oct 12	2	1025	1020	PK Steal
NJD	Oct 12	3	2000	1937	Multiple disruptions leading to chances
NJD	Oct 12	3	1612	1557	Forecheck read/deception, backcheck
NJD	Oct 12	3	1300	1255	Slot positioning takes away chance, transition
NJD	Oct 12	3	715	705	SH positioning, takeaway, clear

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Trap Jesus]

So I got about 20 games into the Coyle puck protection compilation before I started to think my time would be better served doing a joint Bergy/Marchy exercise. I'm looking at defensive play by Bergy and puck handling by Marchand, like mainly quick cut stuff where he's using his strength and agility to weave in and out of people. NHL's stat keeping is really bad for giveaways/takeaways so going shift by shift. Super time consuming, but hoping to get it all compiled this month before the NHL access thing runs out. There's enough of an overlap there to get the Marchy stuff.

I'm up to 27 plays for Bergeron after 5 games LMAO. I'm not doing literally every touch or anything but just stuff that leads to change of possession, more of the notable stuff. Not gonna be a sexy video but just something different, will be good for people that really like the nuts and bolts of the game. The Marchy one will be a lot sexier.

Opponent	Date	Period	Time Start	Time End	Description
Dallas	Oct 2	1	452	437	Battle in corner, puck to safe spot
Dallas	Oct 2	2	1620	1604	Multiple Steals
Dallas	Oct 2	2	650	641	Break-up, D-zone clear
Dallas	Oct 2	2	056	050	Neutral zone block SH
Dallas	Oct 2	3	1255	1250	Block, D-zone clear
Dallas	Oct 2	3	1026	1020	Block, D-zone clear
Arizona	Oct 5	1	125	119	Digs puck out, feeds marchand, GOAL
Arizona	Oct 5	2	1940	1936	Diving pokecheck for breakout
Arizona	Oct 6	2	1515	1509	Dzone positioning in slot leads to pass breakup, clear
Arizona	Oct 8	2	823	815	Heads up SH breakout pass
VGK	Oct 8	1	1352	1347	SH pass break up clear
VGK	Oct 8	1	1118	112	Neutral zone mid air pass pick off
VGK	Oct 8	1	850	840	Forecheck, steal, pass GOAL
VGK	Oct 8	2	1604	1558	PK read, clear
VGK	Oct 8	2	505	458	Strength on puck for ozone entry
VGK	Oct 8	3	1050	1042	positioning takes away slot chance
COL	Oct 10	2	1620	1607	Slot read, leads to chance other way
COL	Oct 10	2	1338	1320	PK sequence with Marchy
COL	Oct 10	2	122	116	Strips Landeskog, safe clear
COL	Oct 10	3	1616	1607	Pressure behind net leads to safe breakout
COL	Oct 10	3	1210	1204	Stands up to Avs at blueline, leads to transition
COL	Oct 10	3	645	640	Backcheck on MacK, transition
NJD	Oct 12	2	1025	1020	PK Steal
NJD	Oct 12	3	2000	1937	Multiple disruptions leading to chances
NJD	Oct 12	3	1612	1557	Forecheck read/deception, backcheck
NJD	Oct 12	3	1300	1255	Slot positioning takes away chance, transition
NJD	Oct 12	3	715	705	SH positioning, takeaway, clear

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I'm 41 games in (of 61) and have 215 plays/sequences now, a lot of them shifts with multiple disruptions/steals and whatnot.

 

[PB37]

That is impressive and most likely unprecedented homework. Really nice job, @Trap Jesus

 

[PB37]

Delete

 

[Trap Jesus]

That is impressive and most likely unprecedented homework. Really nice job, @Trap Jesus

It ended up being 377 plays/sequences in 61 games lol. Dafoomie's to edit but with longer plays involved and the time stamps given it's just over an hour long. I think that's good though because with defensive play it's not so much "highlights" as it is how often and consistently a player can be disruptive and translate defense into offense.

 

[Bruinaura]

It ended up being 377 plays/sequences in 61 games lol. Dafoomie's to edit but with longer plays involved and the time stamps given it's just over an hour long. I think that's good though because with defensive play it's not so much "highlights" as it is how often and consistently a player can be disruptive and translate defense into offense.

And y'all will be sending this video to all the Selke voters, right?

 

[Trap Jesus]

And y'all will be sending this video to all the Selke voters, right?

Lol it would definitely be a good point of reference for that.

Biggest thing that stood out to me is how good he is late in games, there were a few sequences I could just run in its entirety with things always going on, he just clamps down so much. Also, he really doesn't need to hit, there are so few sequences in there involving hits, although one of my favorite plays is a hit (as a Preds player is breaking out, Bergeron literally hides behind one of the Preds forwards who's right in front of the puck carrier then pounces out from behind him at the opposing blueline to remove the Pred from the puck, allowing Marchy to collect it in the neutral zone).

I think there were only a few goals against that I thought he could have realistically done a better job on, one vs. the Rangers in particular. He's just so incredibly consistent.

 

[PB37]

Lol it would definitely be a good point of reference for that.

Biggest thing that stood out to me is how good he is late in games, there were a few sequences I could just run in its entirety with things always going on, he just clamps down so much. Also, he really doesn't need to hit, there are so few sequences in there involving hits, although one of my favorite plays is a hit (as a Preds player is breaking out, Bergeron literally hides behind one of the Preds forwards who's right in front of the puck carrier then pounces out from behind him at the opposing blueline to remove the Pred from the puck, allowing Marchy to collect it in the neutral zone).

I think there were only a few goals against that I thought he could have realistically done a better job on, one vs. the Rangers in particular. He's just so incredibly consistent.

I love that even though he gets used in an offensive role more now in the last few years than he has in the past, he doesn't ever cheat or slack on his defensive assignments. I think there's a lot of logical fallacy going on with fans on this website that just because his offensive zone starts go up, he's not as good defensively. His awareness doesn't change, regardless of the role they use him for.

 

[Trap Jesus]

I love that even though he gets used in an offensive role more now in the last few years than he has in the past, he doesn't ever cheat or slack on his defensive assignments. I think there's a lot of logical fallacy going on with fans on this website that just because his offensive zone starts go up, he's not as good defensively. His awareness doesn't change, regardless of the role they use him for.

Oh yeah, hockey's such a fluid game that you're going to be in all 3 zones a lot regardless of zone starts. Marchy and Pasta are cheating up ice and taking risks with dekes, but Bergy is steady as ever. He doesn't cheat at all.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Edit: disregard

 

[PB37]

Bergeron since entering the 2015-2016 season as a 30 year old

319 points in his last 349 games ( .91 PPG )

57.8 at the dot

+91

2 Selkes ( also two third place and one 2nd place finish )


Like fine wine.