Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron III

[Trap Jesus]

Bergeron since entering the 2015-2016 season as a 30 year old

319 points in his last 349 games ( .91 PPG )

57.8 at the dot

+91

2 Selkes ( also two third place and one 2nd place finish )


Like fine wine.

Since Cassidy took over (RS + Playoffs), he's at:

259 points in his last 258 games

57.8 at the dot

+99

 

[Trap Jesus]

Edit: Bergy video is back on

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Bergeron since entering the 2015-2016 season as a 30 year old

319 points in his last 349 games ( .91 PPG )

57.8 at the dot

+91

2 Selkes ( also two third place and one 2nd place finish )


Like fine wine.

An excellent vintage to be sure. One of the few benefits of this horrible pandemic and season suspension may be that Bergy has been able to get a lot of rest which should be particularly useful for his troublesome groin. There will be risk for all players when they return to training and play of injuries due to lack of adequate prep and conditioning, but otherwise this enforced break should hold Bergy in good stead for the return to action, whether that's in a playoffs or a whole new season.

 

[Bruinaura]

Here's the full list if anyone has access to the games and wants to see some examples of his defensive play:

 

[Alicat]

He's perfect.

I could gush about him but I don't want to cry.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Bergeron and the Question of Age.

The Question of Age and Patrice Bergeron for the Boston Bruins - LWOH

 

[PB37]

Bergeron and the Question of Age.

The Question of Age and Patrice Bergeron for the Boston Bruins - LWOH

I appreciate the attempt, but the article was very weak and brings nothing new to the table that even the most casual of Bruins fans don't already know.

 

[LastWordArmy]

I'll pass that on to the writer.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Classic Bergeron. "Decent" in battles and fails lots.

 

[Lobster57]

Classic Bergeron. "Decent" in battles and fails lots.

Love it. One of the things i've really noticed about Bergy in the last couple season (he's probably always done it and i just never noticed) is that he's amazing a QUICKLY knocking the puck loose along the boards. There will be a 1-on-1 battle and he'll swing in as the 3rd guy and in one attempt the puck pops loose. he doesn't often get tied up in the scrum. So while he may only be "decent" in actual battles he's amazing and achieving the same result as a "won" battle, while skipping the actual battle

 

[Trap Jesus]

Love it. One of the things i've really noticed about Bergy in the last couple season (he's probably always done it and i just never noticed) is that he's amazing a QUICKLY knocking the puck loose along the boards. There will be a 1-on-1 battle and he'll swing in as the 3rd guy and in one attempt the puck pops loose. he doesn't often get tied up in the scrum. So while he may only be "decent" in actual battles he's amazing and achieving the same result as a "won" battle, while skipping the actual battle

Oh yeah, I don't think his defensive stick is anything sensational, he's not like a Datsyuk or Stone for that. He's very much a sum of its parts defensive player, just a constant disruption. I guess it's what you count as a puck battle. There's a 20+ second sequence against Couturier where he's constantly disputing his cycle to Lindblom, at one point he chips it to space but the Flyers get it back, then he blocks a pass which goes to Konecny, and he forces him out. Not a clean strip and go, but hard work and persistence to get the job done.

That being said, he's still so involved that he's winning those battles regularly. The first clip is 1st period of game 1 of the regular season. Jamie Benn is pinning the puck against the boards in the Bruins zone in the corner and being the horse that he is has it pinned under his skate for like 10/15 seconds angling McAvoy off with his body, while Bergeron is going crazy at it with his stick in support like it's Game 7 OT. Meanwhile Pavelski floats in and gives Bergeron a cross check while he's doing that and Bergeron responds by lifting his stick and pushing him off him so he can be the first one on it. Benn sees an opportunity to cycle it around with his skate and gives a little kick, while Bergeron in a split second kicks the puck that was loose for a millisecond back into Benn's skate to bounce right to his stick and immediately chips it to space for Chara to pick up easily. It was one really fluid motion that he did it in as well.

The ones I know that average more per game:

Kopitar, Danault, Couturier, Barkov, O'Reilly

They also all get more ice time as well though.

 

[Bruinaura]

From Friedman's 31 Thoughts today:

26) Tampa Bay coach Jon Cooper had an excellent story about Patrice Bergeron from last year’s NHL awards show. Both teams had painful endings, the Lightning in the first round, the Bruins in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final. “We’re all in the green room before we’re going to talk to the media,” Cooper said. “The season had just ended for him a couple of days earlier. He went out of his way to come over to me, genuine handshake, look in my eye, and say, ‘Hey how are you doing, are you ok?’ (Then) a second, ‘No seriously, are you okay?’ What a class act. Then I looked at him and said, ‘Are you okay?’ Then we had to sit there and have a small discussion about what was worse, the way we went out or the way they went out? I’ve been to the Cup final (2015), and boy is it an empty feeling when you are so close to tasting it and having it taken out of your hands.”

 

[Sheppy]

From Friedman's 31 Thoughts today:

26) Tampa Bay coach Jon Cooper had an excellent story about Patrice Bergeron from last year’s NHL awards show. Both teams had painful endings, the Lightning in the first round, the Bruins in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final. “We’re all in the green room before we’re going to talk to the media,” Cooper said. “The season had just ended for him a couple of days earlier. He went out of his way to come over to me, genuine handshake, look in my eye, and say, ‘Hey how are you doing, are you ok?’ (Then) a second, ‘No seriously, are you okay?’ What a class act. Then I looked at him and said, ‘Are you okay?’ Then we had to sit there and have a small discussion about what was worse, the way we went out or the way they went out? I’ve been to the Cup final (2015), and boy is it an empty feeling when you are so close to tasting it and having it taken out of your hands.”

GOAT.

 

[DKH]

From Friedman's 31 Thoughts today:

26) Tampa Bay coach Jon Cooper had an excellent story about Patrice Bergeron from last year’s NHL awards show. Both teams had painful endings, the Lightning in the first round, the Bruins in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final. “We’re all in the green room before we’re going to talk to the media,” Cooper said. “The season had just ended for him a couple of days earlier. He went out of his way to come over to me, genuine handshake, look in my eye, and say, ‘Hey how are you doing, are you ok?’ (Then) a second, ‘No seriously, are you okay?’ What a class act. Then I looked at him and said, ‘Are you okay?’ Then we had to sit there and have a small discussion about what was worse, the way we went out or the way they went out? I’ve been to the Cup final (2015), and boy is it an empty feeling when you are so close to tasting it and having it taken out of your hands.”

That’s a great story

If the Bruins the last 13 years were Montreal and he was on that team I can’t imagine how popular he would be

 

[rocketdan9]

How long do you guys think Bergeron can play at a high level before his game/stamina tapers off?

 

[Kazcram]

How long do you guys think Bergeron can play at a high level before his game/stamina tapers off?

40

 

[jgatie]

That’s a great story

If the Bruins the last 13 years were Montreal and he was on that team I can’t imagine how popular he would be

Bergeron hates the Habs so much, he would pull a Lindros and never show up to camp.

 

[Bruinaura]

Bergeron hates the Habs so much, he would pull a Lindros and never show up to camp.

He definitely hates the Habs but I have a hard time thinking he'd pull a Lindros

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Classic Bergeron. "Decent" in battles and fails lots.

It's ridiculous how after 17 years, 4 Selkes and all the other accolades Bergeron continues to frequently be underrated. Even at 34, with an enormous amount of playing mileage racked up and a chronic groin problem, he still just put together a season in which he was one of the top 3 two-way forwards in the game. He's just not flashy or overtly amazing at any one aspect so I feel like a lot of the little things he does and which make him such a complete player continue to elude people.

It's hard to argue on something like zone exits without really poring through footage, but I've never identifed it as a weakness in his game and the guy has an uncanny ability to find teammates on break-outs with deft passes. An I missing something? I'd also dispute how you can be rated excellent on D but below average on exits - isn't the latter an integral part of the former?

 

[Trap Jesus]

It's ridiculous how after 17 years, 4 Selkes and all the other accolades Bergeron continues to frequently be underrated. Even at 34, with an enormous amount of playing mileage racked up and a chronic groin problem, he still just put together a season in which he was one of the top 3 two-way forwards in the game. He's just not flashy or overtly amazing at any one aspect so I feel like a lot of the little things he does and which make him such a complete player continue to elude people.

It's hard to argue on something like zone exits without really poring through footage, but I've never identifed it as a weakness in his game and the guy has an uncanny ability to find teammates on break-outs with deft passes. An I missing something? I'd also dispute how you can be rated excellent on D but below average on exits - isn't the latter an integral part of the former?

It's not a weakness at all. I think they may be looking at it as micro-stats where he'll be chipping it loose or up the boards without technically changing possession, but in the whole scope of things with his pursuit of the puck he's absurdly effective in getting it out. There are so many clips like that that will be in the highlight compilation.

 

[Sheppy]

How long do you guys think Bergeron can play at a high level before his game/stamina tapers off?

38 I'd say he'd still be a 50-60 point guy, and eventually being a damn solid 3rd line 35-40 point guy into 40.

 

[Lobster57]

38 I'd say he'd still be a 50-60 point guy, and eventually being a damn solid 3rd line 35-40 point guy into 40.

probably pretty accurate. The B's will need to find the guy to be their 1C of the future though, just to take some of the weight off Bergy

 

[Trap Jesus]

Most playoff goals scored in either the 3rd period or OT that tied the game, or put their team ahead. Stats since 1979/80. Cool to see Bergeron tied with Neely as the top Bruin.

Rank	Player	Goals
1	Brett Hull	20
2	Joe Sakic	19
3	Jaromir Jagr	18
4	Claude Lemieux	17
T-5	Bobby Smith	15
T-5	Glenn Anderson	15
7	Dale Hunter	13
T-8	Daniel Briere	12
T-8	Esa Tikkanen	12
T-8	Jeremy Roenick	12
T-8	Mike Modano	12
T-8	PATRICK KANE	12
T-13	Cam Neely	11
T-13	JOE PAVELSKI	11
T-13	Luc Robitaille	11
T-13	NICKLAS BACKSTROM	11
T-13	PATRICE BERGERON	11
T-13	Steve Thomas	11
T-13	Vincent Damphousse	11
T-20	ALEX OVECHKIN	10
T-20	Chris Drury	10
T-20	COREY PERRY	10
T-20	Doug Gilmour	10
T-20	MARIAN GABORIK	10
T-20	Mark Messier	10
T-20	PATRICK MARLEAU	10
T-20	Russ Courtnall	10
T-20	Wayne Gretzky	10
T-29	Brian Propp	9
T-29	Dave Andreychuk	9
T-29	Jamie Langenbrunner	9
T-29	Jari Kurri	9
T-29	Joe Murphy	9
T-29	JONATHAN TOEWS	9
T-29	Martin St. Louis	9
T-29	Mats Naslund	9
T-29	Rod Brind'Amour	9
T-29	Sergei Fedorov	9
T-29	Stephane Richer	9
T-29	Stu Barnes	9
T-41	Alex Kovalev	8
T-41	Brian Bellows	8
T-41	Guy Carbonneau	8
T-41	John LeClair	8
T-41	LOGAN COUTURE	8
T-41	Mark Recchi	8
T-41	Mats Sundin	8
T-41	Petr Sykora	8
T-41	Rick Tocchet	8
T-41	Steve Payne	8
T-41	Teemu Selanne	8
T-41	ZACH PARISE	8
T-53	BOBBY RYAN	7
T-53	Brendan Shanahan	7
T-53	Bryan Trottier	7
T-53	Dino Ciccarelli	7
T-53	EVGENI MALKIN	7
T-53	Henrik Zetterberg	7
T-53	Joe Mullen	7
T-53	Joel Ward	7
T-53	JUSTIN WILLIAMS	7
T-53	Kirk Muller	7
T-53	Martin Havlat	7
T-53	Matt Cooke	7
T-53	NICK BONINO	7
T-53	Ron Francis	7
T-53	Scott Gomez	7
T-53	Scott Niedermayer	7
T-53	Trevor Linden	7
T-53	Vyacheslav Kozlov	7
T-53	Wendel Clark	7
T-72	Al MacInnis	6
T-72	Bernie Federko	6
T-72	Brad Richards	6
T-72	BRANDON DUBINSKY	6
T-72	BRENT SEABROOK	6
T-72	Daniel Alfredsson	6
T-72	Dave Babych	6
T-72	Dave Poulin	6
T-72	FILIP FORSBERG	6
T-72	JADEN SCHWARTZ	6
T-72	JAKE GUENTZEL	6
T-72	Jere Lehtinen	6
T-72	John Tonelli	6
T-72	JORDAN STAAL	6
T-72	Ken Linseman	6
T-72	Kevin Stevens	6
T-72	Kris Draper	6
T-72	Mike Gartner	6
T-72	MILAN LUCIC	6
T-72	Nicklas Lidstrom	6
T-72	Paul Coffey	6
T-72	Pavel Datsyuk	6
T-72	Peter Stastny	6
T-72	Ray Bourque	6
T-72	RYAN KESLER	6
T-72	SIDNEY CROSBY	6
T-72	Simon Gagne	6
T-72	Steve Larmer	6
T-72	Steve Yzerman	6
T-72	TOMAS HERTL	6
T-72	TYLER JOHNSON	6

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[ON3M4N]

So this even surprised me when I was looking at the numbers. while having a discussion with someone about elite goal scorers, I set the bar at averaging 40+ goals a season. Since 2017 there were 8 players that have a G/GP that puts them at a 40+ goal pace over 82 games.

Alex Ovechkin
Auston Matthews
David Pastrnak
Connor McDavid
Leon Draisaitl
Nathan MacKinnon
Nikita Kucherov
Patrice Bergeron

Yes, Patrice Bergeron made the list right at the 40 goal mark, tied with Kucherov. I don't think any of us here would consider him an elite goal scorer, but his G/GP puts him in the top 2% of goal scorers over the last 3 seasons.

 

[Bruinaura]

So this even surprised me when I was looking at the numbers. while having a discussion with someone about elite goal scorers, I set the bar at averaging 40+ goals a season. Since 2017 there were 8 players that have a G/GP that puts them at a 40+ goal pace over 82 games.

Alex Ovechkin
Auston Matthews
David Pastrnak
Connor McDavid
Leon Draisaitl
Nathan MacKinnon
Nikita Kucherov
Patrice Bergeron

Yes, Patrice Bergeron made the list right at the 40 goal mark, tied with Kucherov. I don't think any of us here would consider him an elite goal scorer, but his G/GP puts him in the top 2% of goal scorers over the last 3 seasons.

He's also the oldest player of that bunch, by a significant margin over everybody except for Ovechkin