News Article: Paraphrased, If we do well Quote: "it’d be unreal to stay.”

[Maplebeasts]

Nylander doesn't imply that he would be leaving under his own free will here.

The wording is very open ended. He definitely doesn't say he won't be traded. All he said was it would be unreal if he was still on the team and they won.

Leafs fans are going to find out where Nylander's loyalties lay soon enough.

Is he going to sign an extension? Remaining with the team that drafted him? To be a key part of winning a cup here?

Or is he going to leave to the highest bidder?

If Nylander doesn't think this team is a contender, he should take a long hard look in the mirror for one of the reasons why. After seven years, and 521 games, Nylander has scored 177 goals. And delivered a whopping 125 hits.

Hits are a lot easier to obtain than goals.

There is no excuse, none, that I can think of that would justify this low number of hits. The yellow in his hair appears to extend in a streak down his back. If you think it’s because he is avoiding injury, so he is actually just playing smart and safe, I would advise you to replace “avoiding injury” with “afraid of physical contact" and replace “smart and safe” with “cowardly and spineless”.

I honestly can’t remember the last time I said anything good about Nylander.

If admitting he is better than completely useless qualifies, there it is. Even if it is only by the smallest increment. At minimal we can always use him as a bad example.

Let's be honest here.

If Nylander wanted to be on a contending team, he would have asked for a trade by now. Winning a cup isn't Nylander's priority. Making money is.

If it's money Nylander wants, it's money Nylander will get.

Whether it will be the Toronto Maple Leafs giving it to him is another story.

I don’t think your opinions here could be any more incorrect if you tried.

 

[arso40]

I don’t think your opinions here could be any more incorrect if you tried.

What the hells up with people for real?
Focus on Willy cause he’s the problem ……he said sarcastically

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's funny how our top players say they will stay if we have playoff success but they never have .
It's because of you that we can't build a team .
They still haven't realized they need to give more in the playoffs.

Our top six is to soft period.

Which of our top players said that?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Future unclear, but Maple Leafs brass are hard at work

A busy end of June for new Leaf GM Brad Treliving is being worked out with the help of the coach many thought might not be back.

torontosun.com

An intriguing name was added to the board this week when the Carolina Hurricanes indicated Brett Pesce will be available if they can’t sign the highly rated two-way blueliner to a new deal. At $4.025 million, he would upgrade many teams, but the Leafs would have to trade a contract. A link might be with William Nylander as part of a package, a scorer the Canes could use being so near their own Cup aspirations. Nylander is the lowest paid of Toronto’s expensive Core Four with a year to go at $6.962 million.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’m not saying to buy him out, or sell him for a crap package, but if he doesn’t want to be here…. Good bye.

Furthermore, If you want to build around Nylander at 27 for 7/8 years be my guest.

Personally I don’t. I would build around defence and centres first. Wingers are the easiest to get lol.

So, this begs the question, WTF kind of team building have you been watching?

Why do you think he doesn't want to be here?

If you want to improve the team by trading a winger, why Nylander rather than Marner?

Unfortunately, we haven't been watching 'team building' for several years. Hopefully now that Dubas is gone, we can start, although we'll likely have to wait two more years until Tavares is gone to see any real improvement.

 

[United35]

Why do you think he doesn't want to be here?

If you want to improve the team by trading a winger, why Nylander rather than Marner?

Unfortunately, we haven't been watching 'team building' for several years. Hopefully now that Dubas is gone, we can start, although we'll likely have to wait two more years until Tavares is gone to see any real improvement.

William Nylander:

Career plus 23 on a high scoring team.

Minus 4 in the 2023 playoffs.

Doesn’t play at the end of the game in the defensive zone.

Doesn’t play the penalty kill.

Doesn’t use his body enough despite his thickness.

Not a point per game player over his career.

Wants a sizeable raise at the age of 27 for eight years - what you see is what you get.
Anddddd…. is he going to keep this pace up at ages 31,32,33,34 etc?? Not a chance folks.

Held out for months and ghosted the team at least show up ready to go, held out for what? $1,000,000 total

Career time on ice 17:01 - why is that?


Mitch Marner:

Plays the penalty kill.

Career point per game player in less games and very close to ppg in playoffs.

Plays at the end of games in the defensive zone.

Plus 89 career.

Plus 7 2023 playoffs.

Uses his smaller frame more than Nylander *23 pound difference.

Will not get a sizeable raise at the age of 28, we can present a solid business case as to why that is. He’s not leaving once Matthews signs.

Career time on ice 19:40 - why is that?



Would you like me to continue?

Watch the whole movie. Not just the ending of the 2023 season.

Is the Nylander recency bias around here because he scored the last goal for us in a game we lost? Ridiculousness.

 

[thewave]

William Nylander:

Career plus 23 on a high scoring team.

Minus 4 in the 2023 playoffs.

Doesn’t play at the end of the game in the defensive zone.

Doesn’t play the penalty kill.

Doesn’t use his body enough despite his thickness.

Not a point per game player over his career.

Wants a sizeable raise at the age of 27 for eight years - what you see is what you get.
Anddddd…. is he going to keep this pace up at ages 31,32,33,34 etc?? Not a chance folks.

Held out for months and ghosted the team at least show up ready to go, held out for what? $1,000,000 total

Career time on ice 17:01 - why is that?


Mitch Marner:

Plays the penalty kill.

Career point per game player in less games and very close to ppg in playoffs.

Plays at the end of games in the defensive zone.

Plus 89 career.

Plus 7 2023 playoffs.

Uses his smaller frame more than Nylander *23 pound difference.

Will not get a sizeable raise at the age of 28, we can present a solid business case as to why that is. He’s not leaving once Matthews signs.

Career time on ice 19:40 - why is that?



Would you like me to continue?

Watch the whole movie. Not just the ending of the 2023 season.

Is the Nylander recency bias around here because he scored the last goal for us in a game we lost? Ridiculousness.

Bad take, Marner is paid 4m more per year and it sounds like even if they both got raises it will stay about 4m more. Is he worth that? Scores less goals etc, zone entries, less PP time given etc etc.

It's arguing, why isn't Hyman as good as McDavid except the gap between Nylander and Marner is way closer.

 

[Trapper]

Future unclear, but Maple Leafs brass are hard at work

A busy end of June for new Leaf GM Brad Treliving is being worked out with the help of the coach many thought might not be back.

torontosun.com

An intriguing name was added to the board this week when the Carolina Hurricanes indicated Brett Pesce will be available if they can’t sign the highly rated two-way blueliner to a new deal. At $4.025 million, he would upgrade many teams, but the Leafs would have to trade a contract. A link might be with William Nylander as part of a package, a scorer the Canes could use being so near their own Cup aspirations. Nylander is the lowest paid of Toronto’s expensive Core Four with a year to go at $6.962 million.

Lol remember a few years back when Tavares signed and we said it was too much money in 4 forwards and we should look at a deal for Pesce and Necas?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander comparables.

Can someone point out Caulfield career highs?

 

[Nineteen67]

Lol remember a few years back when Tavares signed and we said it was too much money in 4 forwards and we should look at a deal for Pesce and Necas?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I remember some thinking they could get Pesce and or Slavin for a bag of pucks. Some fans, even after all these yrs, still think the Leafs are a better franchise because of location.

 

[hobarth]

Why do you think he doesn't want to be here?

If you want to improve the team by trading a winger, why Nylander rather than Marner?

Unfortunately, we haven't been watching 'team building' for several years. Hopefully now that Dubas is gone, we can start, although we'll likely have to wait two more years until Tavares is gone to see any real improvement.

You're aware that JT is around a point a game since coming to TO so why the hate?

 

[arso40]

You're aware that JT is around a point a game since coming to TO so why the hate?

Are point a game players worth 11 mil?? Cause I rather 60 pt two way center that I don’t have to shelter then for maybe 6 mil so I can make our elite wingers work and still have 5 mill to add to the d core

 

[notDatsyuk]

You're aware that JT is around a point a game since coming to TO so why the hate?

Yes, I'm aware of his 'PPG' stat - that and his faceoff % seem to be the only ones that are even used to support his contract.

Are you aware that half his points came on the powerplay this year? And that despite playing mainly with the RW who was third in the league in ES goals and fifth in ES points, JT ranked 32nd and 48th among centers?

Over the last four seasons, Nylander has more goals and points, and more ES goals and points, than Tavares - maybe he's the one who should be making $4M a year more!

And no, I don't hate him - but I'm fully aware that his contract has handicapped the team, and will continue to do so for two more years.

 

[hobarth]

Yes, I'm aware of his 'PPG' stat - that and his faceoff % seem to be the only ones that are even used to support his contract.

Are you aware that half his points came on the powerplay this year? And that despite playing mainly with the RW who was third in the league in ES goals and fifth in ES points, JT ranked 32nd and 48th among centers?

Over the last four seasons, Nylander has more goals and points, and more ES goals and points, than Tavares - maybe he's the one who should be making $4M a year more!

And no, I don't hate him - but I'm fully aware that his contract has handicapped the team, and will continue to do so for two more years.

Covid handicapped the Leafs and still is, Arizona, Nashville and other money losing teams handicap the Leafs because of their affect on the Cap.

JT is the only Leaf beyond Bunting that will go to the opposition's netfront at any time, essential and crucial on this team of scaredy ... Nylander's success offensively probably can be attributed to JT's antics in front of the opposition's goalies, in part.

JT provides a different element on a team of constant sameness, TO needs more players that are willing to risk life and limb to win, more JTs not less.

Austin's and Mitch's disappearing act in the playoffs has handicapped the Leafs for years, especially when taking into consideration how much they are paid.

In a perfect world JT could be making less but he's not alone in that respect on the Leafs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Covid handicapped the Leafs and still is, Arizona, Nashville and other money losing teams handicap the Leafs because of their affect on the Cap.

JT is the only Leaf beyond Bunting that will go to the opposition's netfront at any time, essential and crucial on this team of scaredy ... Nylander's success offensively probably can be attributed to JT's antics in front of the opposition's goalies, in part.

JT provides a different element on a team of constant sameness, TO needs more players that are willing to risk life and limb to win, more JTs not less.

Austin's and Mitch's disappearing act in the playoffs has handicapped the Leafs for years, especially when taking into consideration how much they are paid.

In a perfect world JT could be making less but he's not alone in that respect on the Leafs.

I keep forgetting that Toronto is the only team that had to deal with a static cap.

Actually, Nylander goes to the net front a lot too - the difference being that he can get there while JT is still crossing centre!

But I must admit that I had not heard anyone say that JT just being on the ice was responsible for Willy's goals, especially when the eye test (and stats) show differently. Congratulations on coming up with a new excuse.

But I do agree that Matthews' and Marner's playoff performances have been disappointing, and that likely all three are overpaid (JT the most).

 

[United35]

Bad take, Marner is paid 4m more per year and it sounds like even if they both got raises it will stay about 4m more. Is he worth that? Scores less goals etc, zone entries, less PP time given etc etc.

It's arguing, why isn't Hyman as good as McDavid except the gap between Nylander and Marner is way closer.

For Nylander more zone entries has resulted in less points and a worse plus/minus despite having played more games.

You could argue that Marner playing the PK makes him less fresh for offensive duties.

If Nylander had signed right after Marner he would never have taken the deal he did. He was the first to go out of the drafted core forwards. Held out and looked bad when he came to play.

Wonder how Nylander would do with the same magnified contract scrutiny as Marner? Making 6.9/ year bought him the privilege of being the 4th highest paid forward on the Leafs, which resulted in him being less likely to be picked on when things go south, despite him still being on the team when things went south.

Nylander only has 9 more goals in his career with more games played but is 124 career points behind Marner?

Remove the contract and it’s pretty easy to see the better player.

All I’m saying is if Nylander wants 8 years by 9+ good riddance. Nylander at 30,31,32,33 & 34 will take nights off when he did it at 26.

He’s not a bad player by any means but he can be replaced by two solid forwards (20 goals scorers) for that kind of coin and our depth would be better as a result.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Marner offered to sign 8.5 x 8 the year prior, Dubas refused.

Ugh

 

[sunstersun]

Ugh

Story of this team, we went from we want discounts to everyone(except Nylander) gets top dollar.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It frustrates me to no end seeing these guys all lined up at the trough again without having even come close to contending for a cup.

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

Always with the "me first" attitude. Always wanting a bigger slice of the salary cap pie. Always holding out for more and more and more.

Always looking out for numero uno.

The goal for these guys isn't winning the cup. The goal for them is to make as much money as possible. Winning a cup in the process is only a secondary achievement at best to this spineless flock of sheep.

The fans should just be honoured watching them play I guess.

They remind me of the Bundy's. Poor Al goes home after work and the hands all come out. The wallet opens up and, poof, the money disappears faster than a snowball in July.

They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Squeal like a pig!!!

Ree Ree Ree

 

[Mess]

Even though his connection to the former GM is gone Chris Johnston seems to claim to be in the loop.. Here is his latest thoughts on Nylander.

 

[nuck]

I heard that was Lou's fault. LOL.

I believe the offer first materialized under Lou but it wouldn't have disappeared under KD. Kyle thought he could do better (so did many people - hell, the guy had 22 goals). Waiting to sign him until after Willie meant it was now a 100pt version of Marner he was talking to. The funny thing is I think Dubas wanted to knock them off in order and may have thought anything close $8.5 for Mitch would have made Willie a tougher sign than using his existing comps.

 

[ToneDog]

Even though his connection to the former GM is gone Chris Johnston seems to claim to be in the loop.. Here is his latest thoughts on Nylander.

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Been saying it for months, would rather trade Nylander than pay him over $9m. If Willie is starting at 9-9.5m, I think they can work out a deal pretty quickly, meeting somewhere in between. With most money up front, they better use it to get a lower AAV this time.

 

[myleafs]

Covid handicapped the Leafs and still is, Arizona, Nashville and other money losing teams handicap the Leafs because of their affect on the Cap.

JT is the only Leaf beyond Bunting that will go to the opposition's netfront at any time, essential and crucial on this team of scaredy ... Nylander's success offensively probably can be attributed to JT's antics in front of the opposition's goalies, in part.

JT provides a different element on a team of constant sameness, TO needs more players that are willing to risk life and limb to win, more JTs not less.

Austin's and Mitch's disappearing act in the playoffs has handicapped the Leafs for years, especially when taking into consideration how much they are paid.

In a perfect world JT could be making less but he's not alone in that respect on the Leafs.

And here I thought it was our team make up and no shows from our top paid players...good to know that all our issues have nothing to do with the actual team.....phew...

Re Tavares....he is a whole lot of meh for me. Puts in an honest effort I will give him that but he is very much the same as our other top paid guys in that he is soft, doesnt stick up for himself or his team. He has become a pp specialist which is something but certainly not worth 11 milly which isnt a surprise because most thought he would fade as his contract when on. It is what it is at this point. Dont hate the guy but dont think he is leading this team anywhere good.

 

[myleafs]

For Nylander more zone entries has resulted in less points and a worse plus/minus despite having played more games.

You could argue that Marner playing the PK makes him less fresh for offensive duties.

If Nylander had signed right after Marner he would never have taken the deal he did. He was the first to go out of the drafted core forwards. Held out and looked bad when he came to play.

Wonder how Nylander would do with the same magnified contract scrutiny as Marner? Making 6.9/ year bought him the privilege of being the 4th highest paid forward on the Leafs, which resulted in him being less likely to be picked on when things go south, despite him still being on the team when things went south.

Nylander only has 9 more goals in his career with more games played but is 124 career points behind Marner?

Remove the contract and it’s pretty easy to see the better player.

All I’m saying is if Nylander wants 8 years by 9+ good riddance. Nylander at 30,31,32,33 & 34 will take nights off when he did it at 26.

He’s not a bad player by any means but he can be replaced by two solid forwards (20 goals scorers) for that kind of coin and our depth would be better as a result.

Lets just move on from both of them and use the 22+ milly its gonna take to keep them. Build around Matthews and Reilly. Tavares out the door in 2 years...bobs your uncle. Everyones happy.

 

[myleafs]

Even though his connection to the former GM is gone Chris Johnston seems to claim to be in the loop.. Here is his latest thoughts on Nylander.

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I am getting a bad feeling that we are gonna sign all 3 to long term deals full NMC and we will be stuck in groundhog day for another 8 yrs?....Noooooooooooooooooo...............oooooooooooooooooo