Weekes: Panthers pushing for Hanifin

[Double Dion]

PLD was an RFA. RFA is not rental

He was an RFA with one year left. That's a rental. Same as Tkachuk was.

 

[drede]

Why is that? What did the Kings give up for a rental PLD? They gave up a signed player package.

Pld was sign and trade completely different

 

[Nanuuk]

I'll echo the others in that I'm only really interested in Lundell.
Could use Knight too, if Markstrom does get traded.

Knight earns 4.5M and is buried in the minors. Not so sure about that idea.

FLA will have to be very careful not to upset the chemistry of their first place club. They could very well make it to the finals.

Trouble is they don't have much draft capital and their farm team really doesn't have much to offer in the way of "A" prospects.

This suggests to me that they might be all in and prepared to part with the minimal number of players necessary to get someone of Hanifin's quality. Especially if their arch rivals are sniffing around as well.

I think they may part with Eetu Luostarinen, Brandon Montour, 2024 3rd, 2025 2nd or something along those lines.

Whatever they do, there are other reports out there (Nick Kypreos) that BOS is close to a deal involving Grzelcyk, Poitras, and Merkulov for an extended Hanifin (7.5 x 8).

Personally I expect something to go down before the Flames play Florida and Tampa Bay next week.

 

[drede]

Boston and Tampa are teams I've heard he would sign with

 

[JKG33]

Why is that? What did the Kings give up for a rental PLD? They gave up a signed player package.

PLD was an RFA not a UFA

 

[drede]

He was an RFA with one year left. That's a rental. Same as Tkachuk was.

Rfa and he signed right after the trade not a rental not even close

 

[JKG33]

He was an RFA with one year left. That's a rental. Same as Tkachuk was.

He would've signed with the team regardless of if it was before or after the trade.

Trading a UFA as signed doesn't have the value you think it does. The Flames have little leverage regarding a signing

 

[drede]

1st roster player and decent prospect not a top one is what good rentals tend to get in a trade

 

[dgibb10]

He was an RFA with one year left. That's a rental. Same as Tkachuk was.

It is not. The NHL market has never valued them the same.

And even from a value standpoint. Tkachuk was at minimum a 12+ million dollar asset asking for 9.5x8 (I personally value him at around 14 but I digress). That's 20 million dollars in surplus value. On the low end.

Hanifin will be looking for an extension around his market value

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Knight earns 4.5M and is buried in the minors. Not so sure about that idea.

If we trade Hanifin, we'll have a ton of cap room. Florida will have to move salary to fit him in.
If taking Knight helps us get Lundell, I'm all for it. He could still turn out to be a star.
If we don't get Lundell, then I'd rather just move on.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

They have Jack Devine that's worth a lot, maybe close to a 1st round prospect. Such a nice 7th rounder by them. Could use him instead of having to deal Lundell, but dealing Lundell likely limits the amount of other assets they have to add.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Source: Hanifin's agent.

 

[drede]

If we trade Hanifin, we'll have a ton of cap room. Florida will have to move salary to fit him in.
If taking Knight helps us get Lundell, I'm all for it. He could still turn out to be a star.
If we don't get Lundell, then I'd rather just move on.

And ull need another goalie after marksrom gets moved

 

[JKG33]

If we trade Hanifin, we'll have a ton of cap room. Florida will have to move salary to fit him in.
If taking Knight helps us get Lundell, I'm all for it. He could still turn out to be a star.
If we don't get Lundell, then I'd rather just move on.

Lindell & Knight both? Lol

 

[Nanuuk]

And ull need another goalie after marksrom gets moved

No we won't. Wolf would be recalled. The Wranglers would have to make do with what they have.

 

[dgibb10]

If we trade Hanifin, we'll have a ton of cap room. Florida will have to move salary to fit him in.
If taking Knight helps us get Lundell, I'm all for it. He could still turn out to be a star.
If we don't get Lundell, then I'd rather just move on.

Knight is not a cap dump. NJD would offer a late 1st, or Toffoli 50% retained for him

 

[Some Other Flame]

The entire basis of a trade with Florida is premised on the idea that Hanifin's signing an extension with them. That should mean the Flames get more than typical rental value.

But if the Panthers aren't willing to give up anything more than rental value, then why would the Flames be inclined to send him there given Florida's empty cupboards and no 1st round pick until 2026 or 2027? If that's the case, the Flames are just better off finding the best rental value they can get within the parameters of Hanifin's 8 team no trade list.

Florida's honestly just a poor trading given the lack of picks and worthwhile prospects. They're better off re-signing their own UFA defencemen.

 

[drede]

It is not. The NHL market has never valued them the same.

And even from a value standpoint. Tkachuk was at minimum a 12+ million dollar asset asking for 9.5x8 (I personally value him at around 14 but I digress). That's 20 million dollars in surplus value. On the low end.

Hanifin will be looking for an extension around his market value

14m that nuts

 

[Double Dion]

Knight is not a cap dump. NJD would offer a late 1st, or Toffoli 50% retained for him

That would be really dumb. But with the way Fitz has handled his goaltending not surprising. "Hey, I know, let's bet on a bad AHL goalie with a contending roster."

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Knight is not a cap dump. NJD would offer a late 1st, or Toffoli 50% retained for him

Wouldn't Florida take that without thinking twice?

 

[JKG33]

The entire basis of a trade with Florida is premised on the idea that Hanifin's signing an extension with them. That should mean the Flames get more than typical rental value.

But if the Panthers aren't willing to give up anything more than rental value, then why would the Flames be inclined to send him there given Florida's empty cupboards and no 1st round pick until 2026 or 2027? If that's the case, the Flames are just better off finding the best rental value they can get within the parameters of Hanifin's 8 team no trade list.

Florida's honestly just a poor trading given the lack of picks and worthwhile prospects. They're better off re-signing their own UFA defencemen.

"Signed" UFAs rarely get much of if any premium vs a pure rental.

Every year fans with a premium rental think they'll get some insane overpayment if the player is "signed" yet it rarely ever happens. The team just doesn't have the leverage when they're a week away from losing the player for nothing.

I do agree though, Florida doesn't have much for tradeable assets and is a poor trading partner

 

[Double Dion]

Knight earns 4.5M and is buried in the minors. Not so sure about that idea.

FLA will have to be very careful not to upset the chemistry of their first place club. They could very well make it to the finals.

Trouble is they don't have much draft capital and their farm team really doesn't have much to offer in the way of "A" prospects.

This suggests to me that they might be all in and prepared to part with the minimal number of players necessary to get someone of Hanifin's quality. Especially if their arch rivals are sniffing around as well.

I think they may part with Eetu Luostarinen, Brandon Montour, 2024 3rd, 2025 2nd or something along those lines.

Whatever they do, there are other reports out there (Nick Kypreos) that BOS is close to a deal involving Grzelcyk, Poitras, and Merkulov for an extended Hanifin (7.5 x 8).

Personally I expect something to go down before the Flames play Florida and Tampa Bay next week.

That boston deal would sure address the center depth. Poitras wouldn't be a player I'd move if I was Boston. I like him more than Lundell.

Wouldn't Florida take that without thinking twice?

Of course. No way an NHL GM is that dumb though.

 

[Aoko]

God he's so good looking. I want him, I need him.

Flobros would be filthy with him. Still hope he prefers Tampa, but we'll see what happens!

 

[drede]

"Signed" UFAs rarely get much of if any premium vs a pure rental.

Every year fans with a premium rental think they'll get some insane overpayment if the player is "signed" yet it rarely ever happens. The team just doesn't have the leverage when they're a week away from losing the player for nothing.

I do agree though, Florida doesn't have much for tradeable assets and is a poor trading partner

If he came with an 8 year extension he would forsure get a great value

 

[horner]

I just don't see anything interesting in Florida if not Lundell. Sawchyn is a tiny bit interesting, but more as a throw in.

No 1st for 2 yrs
No 2nd this yr