Out of Town: Off-Season edition

[Redux91]

Can you...stop looking at me like that plz.. :/

 

[Redux91]

There's also track record and the actual performance of the prospects in respective leagues.

For example, how highly would a Habs prospect be perceived with this performance:

5 pts in 7 games at WJC with Canada. Led Junior team to Championship by leading his team in playoffs scoring with 32pts in 18 games. Had 80 points in 54 games in regular season. As 20 year old rookie in ahl the had 53 points in 70 games.

i also give up, but even max domi had done more than this description

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Shabutie]

Bergevin gave away Subban, Radulov, Sergachev, Galchenyuk, Markov, Debrincat, Girard and Eller and he got back Shaw, Weber, Drouin and Domi.

Hes def the most terrible GM in the NHL.

Misleading post. Bergevin didn't "give away" Radulov and Markov. He lost the negotiations and they chose to play elsewhere. Also no way in knowing that we would've drafted Debrincat and you fail to acknowledge Danault, Byron, Petry.

Chiarelli and Dorion are worse GMs or at the very least on par with Bergevin. Dorion traded a top 5 pick in a front loaded draft, a former 1st rounder and a player that is arguably as good as Duchene for Duchene. He traded Hoffman for virtually peanuts, who was then flipped for a better return to Florida.

 

[waffledave]

Misleading post. Bergevin didn't "give away" Radulov and Markov. He lost the negotiations and they chose to play elsewhere. Also no way in knowing that we would've drafted Debrincat and you fail to acknowledge Danault, Byron, Petry.

Chiarelli and Dorion are worse GMs or at the very least on par with Bergevin. Dorion traded a top 5 pick in a front loaded draft, a former 1st rounder and a player that is arguably as good as Duchene for Duchene. He traded Hoffman for virtually peanuts, who was then flipped for a better return to Florida.

Listen, Danault, Byron and Petry are being extremely overhyped now. Similar versions of these guys exist all over the league. If these guys are the crown jewel of Bergevin's 7 years then the guy is BY FAR the worst GM in the league. These are decent acquisitions but nowhere near good enough to be the best moves a guy makes.

It's very difficult to digest the Petry contract when you see what similar d-men are going for these days.

 

[The Great Weal]

Bergevin gave away Subban, Radulov, Sergachev, Galchenyuk, Markov, Debrincat, Girard and Eller and he got back Shaw, Weber, Drouin and Domi.

Hes def the most terrible GM in the NHL.

Chia is definitely the worst gm in the league. Bergevin is bottom 3 for sure.

 

[ArtPeur]

Bergevin gave away Subban, Radulov, Sergachev, Galchenyuk, Markov, Debrincat, Girard and Eller and he got back Shaw, Weber, Drouin and Domi.

Hes def the most terrible GM in the NHL.

It's hard to compare Chiarelli and Bergevin to find out who's the worst, it's arguably similar imo. Dorion is just in a bad situation with a crazy owner and off-ice issues with players +++

Alzner vs Lucic contracts
Eberle vs Strome
Hall vs Larsson
Reinhart vs 1st + 5th round pick (career AHLer, can't even crack Vegas lineup)

 

[Shabutie]

Listen, Danault, Byron and Petry are being extremely overhyped now. Similar versions of these guys exist all over the league. If these guys are the crown jewel of Bergevin's 7 years then the guy is BY FAR the worst GM in the league. These are decent acquisitions but nowhere near good enough to be the best moves a guy makes.

It's very difficult to digest the Petry contract when you see what similar d-men are going for these days.

We acquired them for very little (Byron for nothing) and they'd be rosters players on any NHL team afaik.

Heck we want to talk about another god awful trade. Artemi Panarin was traded for f***ing Brandon Saad. It's like people are only capable of seeing Bergevin's "bad moves" which pale in comparison to some of the god awful moves other shitty GMs have made (let us not forget Bowman giving 10.5M to a 60 point center when the cap was even lower than today).

 

[Shabutie]

It's hard to compare Chiarelli and Bergevin to find out who's the worst, it's arguably similar imo. Dorion is just in a bad situation with a crazy owner and off-ice issues with players +++

Alzner vs Lucic contracts
Eberle vs Strome
Hall vs Larsson
Reinhart vs 1st + 5th round pick (career AHLer, can't even crack Vegas lineup)

Not one of Bergevin's moves could ever compare to this.

Here's a view into Chiarelli and the circus in Boston at the time. Similarly to Bergevin, "attitude and culture fit" seemed to be a reason to trade a franchise player:



Both are cut from the same cloth, but Chiarelli has made worse moves (so far).

 

[Bryson]

We acquired them for very little (Byron for nothing) and they'd be rosters players on any NHL team afaik.

Heck we want to talk about another god awful trade. Artemi Panarin was traded for ****ing Brandon Saad. It's like people are only capable of seeing Bergevin's "bad moves" which pale in comparison to some of the god awful moves other ****ty GMs have made (let us not forget Bowman giving 10.5M to a 60 point center when the cap was even lower than today).

I'm sorry... how many Stanley Cups did the Chicago Blackhawks win again? But HEY WE GOT BYRON!!! START THE PARADE!! What a f***ing joke!

 

[waffledave]

We acquired them for very little (Byron for nothing) and they'd be rosters players on any NHL team afaik.

Heck we want to talk about another god awful trade. Artemi Panarin was traded for ****ing Brandon Saad. It's like people are only capable of seeing Bergevin's "bad moves" which pale in comparison to some of the god awful moves other ****ty GMs have made (let us not forget Bowman giving 10.5M to a 60 point center when the cap was even lower than today).

It doesn't change a single thing. If those 3 guys are your best moves after 7 years you are a pathetic GM. Just cause other GMs also make bad moves doesn't make him good. There are also hood GMs out there and it's not unreasonable to wish we had one too.

 

[Tyson]

Yes Bergevin had made bad trades as many GM’s do but it is deeper than that with Bergevin. He hired his buddy Lefebvre who destroyed our farm team and even extended him last year after 5 years of total failure.
It’s one thing to make questionable trades but when you combine this with farm team as putrid as what we currently have then you have a disaster. A long term disaster

 

[DAChampion]

Bergevin'sbedt moves after seven years:
Byron
Danault
Petry

Yzerman's best moves after seven years:
Sergachev
McDonagh
Johnson

 

[Lshap]

I don't know if there is a waiting list or not... it's possible that current season ticket holders are just being offered a priority to upgrade their tickets before it is passed on to people on the waiting list. Regardless enough people have cancelled their season tickets and it's true those tickets were once valuable but the team will be bad for many years to come. I think many fans just feel disrespected, Molson was quick to fire Gauthier after one bad season so I don't understand why he continues to stand by Bergevin who continues to tarnish the brand and destroy the team. Read up on the "Brick" fiasco. Fans are treated like nothing more than cash cows. Going back to the waiting list... there was no mention of it in the article and it was definitely implied that the team might be looking at a net loss of the value of those unsold tickets. Of course this will only get worse with every passing year Molson endorses MB.

Agree 100% about the fan disrespect. I really hope those ticket cancellations signal an imminent rock slide of cancellations that'll force change on this smug, complacent organization.

As a marketing guy, I'm always amazed at how easily companies take for granted their most valuable asset -- their longtime customers. Most modern companies at least address client retention with customer service that'll give you a break if you complain about it. The Habs? They're stuck in the 1960s with an attitude of entitlement that it's a privileged to have a ticket to their games. Season ticket holders have a contact person, but try getting a discount or a reward. Don't like it? The next guy in line will be happy to take your ticket. Hopefully there will soon be no next guy in line.

 

[MD thaivuN]

Not one of Bergevin's moves could ever compare to this.

Here's a view into Chiarelli and the circus in Boston at the time. Similarly to Bergevin, "attitude and culture fit" seemed to be a reason to trade a franchise player:



Both are cut from the same cloth, but Chiarelli has made worse moves (so far).

Chiarelli is the far end of the spectrum for godawful "character-first, play the right way or F Off" GM.

 

[Bryson]

Bergevin'sbedt moves after seven years:
Byron
Danault
Petry

Yzerman's best moves after seven years:
Sergachev
McDonagh
Johnson

This is way too simple an analysis and doesn't paint the whole picture. Tampa has one of the best farm systems in the league which has allowed them to remain ultra competitive. Bergevin destroyed the farm due to sheer incompetence. Hiring the best people for the job has been Yzerman's bet move. As with Toronto, without Shanahan and Dubas there is no Tavares.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Bergevin'sbedt moves after seven years:
Byron
Danault
Petry

Yzerman's best moves after seven years:
Sergachev
McDonagh
Johnson

You should compare their drafts after 7 years too.

Bergevin is the anti-thesis of a good manager.

 

[groovejuice]

Misleading post. Bergevin didn't "give away" Radulov and Markov. He lost the negotiations and they chose to play elsewhere. Also no way in knowing that we would've drafted Debrincat and you fail to acknowledge Danault, Byron, Petry.

Chiarelli and Dorion are worse GMs or at the very least on par with Bergevin. Dorion traded a top 5 pick in a front loaded draft, a former 1st rounder and a player that is arguably as good as Duchene for Duchene. He traded Hoffman for virtually peanuts, who was then flipped for a better return to Florida.

Those "negotiations" with Radulov and Markov were hardly in good faith. Both wanted to play in Montreal. Bergevin unecessarily played hardball and publicly insulted them. That was pure incompetence, and characterizing it as anything else is beyond disingenuous.

 

[LaP]

Those "negotiations" with Radulov and Markov were hardly in good faith. Both wanted to play in Montreal. Bergevin unecessarily played hardball and publicly insulted them. That was pure incompetence, and characterizing it as anything else is beyond disingenuous.

The part where he insulted them before they signed elsewhere is the worst. I mean that's definitely fire worthy.

 

[Mrb1p]

Misleading post. Bergevin didn't "give away" Radulov and Markov. He lost the negotiations and they chose to play elsewhere. Also no way in knowing that we would've drafted Debrincat and you fail to acknowledge Danault, Byron, Petry.

Chiarelli and Dorion are worse GMs or at the very least on par with Bergevin. Dorion traded a top 5 pick in a front loaded draft, a former 1st rounder and a player that is arguably as good as Duchene for Duchene. He traded Hoffman for virtually peanuts, who was then flipped for a better return to Florida.

Those players were added before the purge.

And he still lost those guys for no reasons.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

You should compare their drafts after 7 years too.

Bergevin is the anti-thesis of a good manager.

Couldn’t manage his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Shabutie]

I'm sorry... how many Stanley Cups did the Chicago Blackhawks win again? But HEY WE GOT BYRON!!! START THE PARADE!! What a ****ing joke!

Yes, they won the stanley cup due to the great moves Stan Bowman made. Let's not give Tallon any credit.

 

[Shabutie]

Those "negotiations" with Radulov and Markov were hardly in good faith. Both wanted to play in Montreal. Bergevin unecessarily played hardball and publicly insulted them. That was pure incompetence, and characterizing it as anything else is beyond disingenuous.

Losing Radulov was definitely a tough pill to swallow, and if I wasn't so "committed" to this stupid team, I would've jumped ship right then. One of the only Habs I've actually liked watching since Koivu.

 

[MaxDummy]

We acquired them for very little (Byron for nothing) and they'd be rosters players on any NHL team afaik.

Heck we want to talk about another god awful trade. Artemi Panarin was traded for ****ing Brandon Saad. It's like people are only capable of seeing Bergevin's "bad moves" which pale in comparison to some of the god awful moves other ****ty GMs have made (let us not forget Bowman giving 10.5M to a 60 point center when the cap was even lower than today).

Bergevin did, overall, an awful job. The worst ? Maybe not, but there is a reason why his apologists (not saying you) are comparing him To Chiarelli and not Yzerman.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Listen, Danault, Byron and Petry are being extremely overhyped now. Similar versions of these guys exist all over the league. If these guys are the crown jewel of Bergevin's 7 years then the guy is BY FAR the worst GM in the league. These are decent acquisitions but nowhere near good enough to be the best moves a guy makes.

It's very difficult to digest the Petry contract when you see what similar d-men are going for these days.

A neat question for those who think Danault, Byron, and Petry are moves to write home about would be: how many times would Bergevin need to make this caliber of moves before this team is a stanley cup contender?

Let's take it to its extreme. What if we had 4 Danaults, 8 Byrons, and 6 Petrys? Are we contenders? Let's say this makes us minimally contenders, we'd need to do this sort of move 15 more times.

Now, had he won the Sergachev and Subban trades, and maybe had he extracted excess value from Carey Price instead of signing him to the dumbest f***ing contract in the known universe, maybe he'd be a move or two away. Buuuuut he didn't.