Our KHL

[Mikey09]

East:

Admiral Vladivostok (Fetisov Hall / 7.500)
AkBars Kazan (TatNeft Arena / 8.200)
Amur Khabarovsk (Platinum Arena / 7.100)
Avangard Omsk (Omsk Arena / 10.318)
Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KRK Uralets / 5.570)
Barys Astana (new arena)
Lada Togliatti (new arena)
Metallurg Magnitogorsk (Metallurg Ice Arena / 7.800)
Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk (SCC Arena Petrochemist / 5.500)
Salavat Yulaev Ufa (Ufa Arena / 8.000)
Severstal Cherepovets (Ledovy Dvorets / 6.064)
Sibir Novosibirsk (Ice Sport Palace / 7.400)
Sochi (Bolshoy Ice Dome / 12.000)
Rubin Tyumen (new arena)
Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod (Trade Union Sport Palace / 5.500)
Traktor Chelyabinsk (Chelyabinsk Arena / 7.500)


West:

Atlant Mitishi (Ice Palace Mytishi / 7.000)
CSKA Moscow (new arena)
Dinamo Minsk (Minsk-Arena / 15.086)
Dinamo Riga (Arena Riga / 10.300)
Donbass Donetsk (Kalmius Arena / 12.800)
Dynamo Moscow (Luzhniki / 8.512)
Eisbaren Berlin (O2 Arena / 14.200 )
Kolner Haie (Lanxness Arena / 18.700)
Jokerit Helsinki (Hartwall Arena / 13.500)
Lev Prague/Sparta Prague (O2 Arena / 17.400)
Lokomotiv Yaroslav (Arena 2000 / 9.046)
Medvescak Zagreb (Arena Zagreb / 15.200)
Milano Rossoblu (Mediolanum Forum / 11.000)
SKA St. Petersburg (Ice Palace / 12.350)
Slovan Bratislava (Slovnaft Arena / 10.055)
Vienna Capitals (Albert Schultz-Eishalle / 7.022)


Spartak Moscow will go to Sochi. Vityaz and Yugra will play VHL. 16. team on west could be Vienna Capitals or Hutwill Helvetics.

 

[seeep]

Spartak Moscow will go to Sochi. Vityaz and Yugra will play VHL. 16. team on west could be Vienna Capitals or Hutwill Helvetics.

Spartak will never play in Sochi lol
and why can Yugra nad Vityaz' leave KHL ? they have money and i think they can come up something with arenas ...

 

[vorky]

Spartak will never play in Sochi lol
and why can Yugra nad Vityaz' leave KHL ? they have money and i think they can come up something with arenas ...

There is a possibility that Yugra will be replaced by Tyumen Maybe not immidiatelly, but in future for sure. Vityaz is gone, everyone knows it

 

[Mikey09]

Spartak will never play in Sochi lol
and why can Yugra nad Vityaz' leave KHL ? they have money and i think they can come up something with arenas ...

One of Moscow's team will have to go to Sochi, Dynamo? no way. CSKA or Spartak? CSKA has influential owners and great history, they will stay too.
Yugra is not a long-term project and Vityaz, what can i tell about them? They played for relegation every year

 

[ult]

This thread is for dreams, right? But, yeah, I think it's a very plausible thought though. Just can't see why would anyone waste their money like that. And yes I do realize it's just pennies for these billionaires, but still they didn't become rich by making unprofitable business moves.

You don't get it. This is a thread about our KHL, not your little hater wet dreams. And by the looks of things the league that is doomed is yours, not our KHL.

 

[Ciccarelli]

You don't get it. This is a thread about our KHL, not your little hater wet dreams. And by the looks of things the league that is doomed is yours, not our KHL.

NHL is doing just fine. Besides the KHL is not a Russian league anymore. It's as much finnish now IMO.

 

[GX]

NHL is doing just fine. Besides the KHL is not a Russian league anymore. It's as much finnish now IMO.

I suspect he was referring to SM liiga. And, despite the worries, I doubt it will hurt much from Jokerit joining the KHL.

And no, it's nearly impossible to state that KHL is as much Finnish (or Latvian for that matter) as Russian.. After all, 12/13 KHL schedule was made after consultation with Russian national team, not Latvian or Czech one..

 

[Atas2000]

I will answer to this long drizzle simple,you can make as much talents as you want,but they will all flee to NHL,because you know why?

Yes, I know why and you apparently don't. Also the ydon't flee. They choose a place to do their jobs. Right now obviously NHL is a better place for high end players(even if we are talking just money. Despite the wild rumors in NA nobody is getting $10 a year in the KHL). But ask anyone you want WHY the NHL is considered the better league and pretty much everyone will talk about the best players playing there, and not about arenas or HD broadcasts, just search this board. I may be an issue or local fans, but for me NHL is intersting as long as I follow fellow russian players. Anything else is not attracting enough for me. So what's wrong with their perfect marketing? I tell you. The game is not that high level as you would expect. I follow hockey for quite some time now and the level of play is just boring most of the time. The Boston-Pittsburgh series was the first watchable one in this year's playoffs. I don't care for the beautiful HD picture if there's nothing to watch. But give me 5 Datsyuks against 5 Crosbys and I will watch every game in the ********* picture quality.

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No young Kuznetsov or Yakupov wants to spend his career in arena which capacity is about 5000 and city itself doesnt give two ***** about hockey.

Yep, nobody gives a ... about hockey in Chelyabinsk and Nizhnekamsk. Made my day!

btw Kuznetsov is already in some NHL wonderland... wait...

Oh and why should KHL care to attract europeans? well simple they just have MORE money to spend than russians.

Your posts just give you away. You are delusional, ignorant or racist. The thing is everybody in Europe hopes to attract Russians, because they spend more. At the recent WC they were worried less russian fans would come. But why would they need those beggars? I mean they only buy the best tickets, drink the bars empty and spend thousands of shiny Euros at the casino every night. And is't not a single aberration or something. Ask the Slovaks about the russian fans from Siberia. No European fan would spend that money on an away game trip.

Wake up! It's 2013! Russians have by far more money to spend then most Europeans and they are also more willing to spend it.

P.S. "long drizzle". your tone doesn't really bother me, but you should think of some respect to ppl on this board someday.

 

[Atas2000]

NHL is doing just fine. Besides the KHL is not a Russian league anymore. It's as much finnish now IMO.

The KHL will stay a russian league for long time from now. It's also no epic breakthrough to have foreign teams in a league in Europe. It doesn't make any of the leagues embracing the concept pan-European conglomerates. They are still national leagues and officially under national federations jurisdiction but have participants from other countries which makes them more competitive and more fun obviously. So nobody really suffers from the concept. I really don't know what the point is in hating and tossing weird arguments around. Yes, Jokerit will pe a part of KHL in 2 years and if the win the Gagarin Cup it will be a great and respected accomplishment(as it will mean they'd have beaten all the best russian teams).

 

[Acallabeth]

I will answer to this long drizzle simple,you can make as much talents as you want,but they will all flee to NHL,because you know why? Because NHL is THE MOST polished hockey product on earth,thats the reason everyone flocks to it,do you really think level of play is the main reason NHL is on the top? No,its because of the superior marketing,better arenas and cities.

No young Kuznetsov or Yakupov wants to spend his career in arena which capacity is about 5000 and city itself doesnt give two ***** about hockey.

Oh and why should KHL care to attract europeans? well simple they just have MORE money to spend than russians.

Honestly, just stick to pointing out the obvious flaws of some Russian cities. What you say aside from that is just ridiculously superficial and shows your little knowledge of what you're talking about.

NHL is doing just fine. Besides the KHL is not a Russian league anymore. It's as much finnish now IMO.

Epic post

 

[Jokeri]

West:

Jokerit Helsinki
Kärpät Oulu
HIFK Helsinki
TPS Turku
Tappara Tampere (if they have a new stadium)
Djurgården Stockholm
A.I.K Solna
Malmö Redhawks
Frölunda Indians Gothenburg
Lingköping
Riga Dynamo
Oilers Stavangers
Lev Praha
Komet Brno
Slovan Bratislava
Rossoblu Milan
Medveczak Zagreb
Kölner Haie
Eisbären Berlin
Salzburg/Vienna

East:

Moscow Dynamo
Moscow Spartak
CSKA Moscow
SKA Saint-Petersburg
Dynamo Minsk
Avangard Omsk
Traktor Chelyabinsk
Salavat ulaev Ufa
Metallurg Magnitogorsk
Amur Habarovsk
Sibir Novosibirsk
Lokomotiv Jaroslav
Admiral Vladivostok
Sokol Krasnojarsk
Rubin Tyumen
Barys Astana
Donbas Donetsk
Ak Bars Kazan
Torpedo Nizni Novgorod
Avtomobilist/Severstal

 

[SCBdude]

Spartak Moscow will go to Sochi. Vityaz and Yugra will play VHL. 16. team on west could be Vienna Capitals or Hutwill Helvetics.

There will not be a team in Huttwil. The town has 5'000 inhabitants and the stadium is also far to small. Also there are no plans of building a new one. Unfortunately I can't say there will for sure not be a KHL team in Switzerland anymore but I doubt it will be in Huttwil

 

[Sanf]

I suspect he was referring to SM liiga. And, despite the worries, I doubt it will hurt much from Jokerit joining the KHL.

And no, it's nearly impossible to state that KHL is as much Finnish (or Latvian for that matter) as Russian.. After all, 12/13 KHL schedule was made after consultation with Russian national team, not Latvian or Czech one..

I believe that SM-liiga is going to survive if we are only talking about one team. Competition is good and Finnish teams need to rethink things and forced to do things better. Finnish hockey isn´t going to survive with couple franchises in Russian league. We need our league to develop our own hockey and players. Time will tell how much this is going to cost to the other teams.

And yes it is Russian league and it´s not likely going to change (money is the most obvious reason). It´s very obvious who is in drivers seat in this thing. Time will tell does the others get help from this ride.

 

[Jokeri]

West:

Jokerit Helsinki
Kärpät Oulu
HIFK Helsinki
TPS Turku
Tappara Tampere (if they have a new stadium)
Djurgården Stockholm
A.I.K Solna
Malmö Redhawks
Frölunda Indians Gothenburg
Lingköping
Riga Dynamo
Oilers Stavangers
Lev Praha
Komet Brno
Slovan Bratislava
Rossoblu Milan
Medveczak Zagreb
Kölner Haie
Eisbären Berlin
Salzburg/Vienna

East:

Moscow Dynamo
Moscow Spartak
CSKA Moscow
SKA Saint-Petersburg
Dynamo Minsk
Avangard Omsk
Traktor Chelyabinsk
Salavat ulaev Ufa
Metallurg Magnitogorsk
Amur Habarovsk
Sibir Novosibirsk
Lokomotiv Jaroslav
Admiral Vladivostok
Sokol Krasnojarsk
Rubin Tyumen
Barys Astana
Donbas Donetsk
Ak Bars Kazan
Torpedo Nizni Novgorod
Avtomobilist/Severstal

If Swiss will join, then 1 team out from Finand Swe and Kloten/Zurich/Bern in...

 

[stv11]

There will not be a team in Huttwil. The town has 5'000 inhabitants and the stadium is also far to small. Also there are no plans of building a new one. Unfortunately I can't say there will for sure not be a KHL team in Switzerland anymore but I doubt it will be in Huttwil

Given the Swiss fan culture, I think it's pretty safe to say that starting a Swiss team from scratch would fail (without even considering how out of touch with reality one must be to suggest putting one in Huttwill). For a Swiss KHL team to work, it should be an existing one with an established fan base.

 

[SCBdude]

If Swiss will join, then 1 team out from Finand Swe and Kloten/Zurich/Bern in...

Actually I think if a Swiss team is going to join KHL, it would probably be Geneva.

 

[vorky]

Actually I think if a Swiss team is going to join KHL, it would probably be Geneva.

It will be interesting. Russians have money in Switzerland, right? All KHL needs is one Russian to buy arena/club. Can not happen? Sure, not possible Russian to buy Hartwall Arena.

 

[SCBdude]

It will be interesting. Russians have money in Switzerland, right? All KHL needs is one Russian to buy arena/club. Can not happen? Sure, not possible Russian to buy Hartwall Arena.

I don't think money will be an issue.

GSHC is getting a new stadium which will be property of the city of Geneva. I don't know if they'll sell it. The team is currently owned by two Canadians (one of them is the head coach as well).

Geneva is not a very conservative city so maybe the would embrace the KHL more than others.

 

[vorky]

I don't think money will be an issue.

GSHC is getting a new stadium which will be property of the city of Geneva. I don't know if they'll sell it. The team is currently owned by two Canadians (one of them is the head coach as well).

Geneva is not a very conservative city so maybe the would embrace the KHL more than others.

Sure, money is not the problem at all. I can see "politics" and "fear of change" as problem, the same in Sweden, less in Germany. You know...

 

[stv11]

I don't think money will be an issue.

GSHC is getting a new stadium which will be property of the city of Geneva. I don't know if they'll sell it. The team is currently owned by two Canadians (one of them is the head coach as well).

Geneva is not a very conservative city so maybe the would embrace the KHL more than others.

I see Geneva or Zurich as the most likely possibilities. Both cities have plans for new arenas that should be ready in time to bid for the 2019 WC. Regarding Zurich, ZSC has always been open minded toward international competitions and is the largest city in the country by a fair margin. On the other hand, they share their fan base with Kloten.

Geneva is a special case. Back in 2000, no one thought hockey could work there, but some investments combined with good marketing and some lucky timing (the city's football team went bankrupt in 2005) made them a pretty popular NLA team. So with less tradition and a fan base built recently through good marketing, it could be a good place to try for the KHL.

Lausanne may have an outside shot. The potential is huge there as they have strong attendances playing in the NLB (and usually are in the top three in attendance during their short stints in the NLA), but it's ruined by incompentent sport management, so this could be a place to attempt what AIK tried to pull a few years ago. However, they finally managed to be promoted back in the top league, so they might be happy with their NLA spot for the moment. Other downsides are the arena, with no plans for a new one, and no international airport in the city.

Bern may look like the best option based on the attendance, but I don't believe it would work. Their fan base is very conservative (they had poor attendances every time they played in one of the international competition the IIHF tried to set up, and never got much enthusiasm from those games, unlike what could be seen in Zurich, Lugano or Ambrì) and they have some many rivalries in Switzerland (local rivalries with Langnau, Fribourg and Biel, city rivalry with Zurich, another one with Lugano as they played many playoff finals against each other, and with Davos as they are two of the most popular teams in the country), so I don't think leaving the NLA would go well over there.

Basel is not a hockey town. Back in 2005, some investors got them in the NLA and even in the playoffs during their first season, but hockey never caught on and they were relegated two years later. This is a football city, and with FC Basel's dominance of Swiss football, it's definitely not the right time to try to introduce something new.

Any other place in Switzerland is probably too small.

 

[SCBdude]

Sure, money is not the problem at all. I can see "politics" and "fear of change" as problem, the same in Sweden, less in Germany. You know...

I think that fear may not be as big in a rather socialist city like Geneva.

Politics however...

 

[SCBdude]

I see Geneva or Zurich as the most likely possibilities. Both cities have plans for new arenas that should be ready in time to bid for the 2019 WC. Regarding Zurich, ZSC has always been open minded toward international competitions and is the largest city in the country by a fair margin. On the other hand, they share their fan base with Kloten.

Geneva is a special case. Back in 2000, no one thought hockey could work there, but some investments combined with good marketing and some lucky timing (the city's football team went bankrupt in 2005) made them a pretty popular NLA team. So with less tradition and a fan base built recently through good marketing, it could be a good place to try for the KHL.

Lausanne may have an outside shot. The potential is huge there as they have strong attendances playing in the NLB (and usually are in the top three in attendance during their short stints in the NLA), but it's ruined by incompentent sport management, so this could be a place to attempt what AIK tried to pull a few years ago. However, they finally managed to be promoted back in the top league, so they might be happy with their NLA spot for the moment. Other downsides are the arena, with no plans for a new one, and no international airport in the city.

Bern may look like the best option based on the attendance, but I don't believe it would work. Their fan base is very conservative (they had poor attendances every time they played in one of the international competition the IIHF tried to set up, and never got much enthusiasm from those games, unlike what could be seen in Zurich, Lugano or Ambrì) and they have some many rivalries in Switzerland (local rivalries with Langnau, Fribourg and Biel, city rivalry with Zurich, another one with Lugano as they played many playoff finals against each other, and with Davos as they are two of the most popular teams in the country), so I don't think leaving the NLA would go well over there.

Basel is not a hockey town. Back in 2005, some investors got them in the NLA and even in the playoffs during their first season, but hockey never caught on and they were relegated two years later. This is a football city, and with FC Basel's dominance of Swiss football, it's definitely not the right time to try to introduce something new.

Any other place in Switzerland is probably too small.

I agree with pretty much everything you just said.

Zurich would finally have to ditch Hallenstadion and get a real hockey arenabut the planing is already underway. Geneca is getting a new stadium with ~10'000 capacity and the Malley in Lausanne is about the same just a bit older (built in the mid-80ies)

 

[Vicente]

I read some interesting opinions in German hockey forums and blogs about further KHL changes. All seem convinced that the 4 spots for foreign teams left open go to Jokerit (FIN), Red Bull München (GER), Helvetics (SUI) and Malmö (SWE). What do you guys think? That would open KHL entry to all big hockey markets in Europe but leave Elitserien, DEL, NLA, SM-liiga etc without much trouble. This would be also the perfect solution for me to come back to the thread's topic.

 

[vorky]

I read some interesting opinions in German hockey forums and blogs about further KHL changes. All seem convinced that the 4 spots for foreign teams left open go to Jokerit (FIN), Red Bull München (GER), Helvetics (SUI) and Malmö (SWE). What do you guys think? That would open KHL entry to all big hockey markets in Europe but leave Elitserien, DEL, NLA, SM-liiga etc without much trouble. This would be also the perfect solution for me to come back to the thread's topic.

I can say one thing - it is not coincidence that Red Bulls joined MHL. Look, MHL and KHL has at least one common person - Alexander Medvedev. It was reported that he talked to Dietrich Mateschitz about joining KHL .... no deal was done, but Red Bulls joined MHL. I can see MHL as 1st stage. Off course, time will tell.

It would be irony to have Red Bull Salzburg/Munchen in KHL. When I looked at 1st edition of ET, there were Jokerit, Sparta and Salzburg. The last two as sole club from national league. Finals of ET is called Red Bulls. Irony. Main "stones" of ET have been brought by KHL Sparta´s owner is in KHL, Jokerit on the way, Salzurg in talks (??). Someone said, if you can not beat your opponent, try to buy him.

 

[Jonimaus]

I read some interesting opinions in German hockey forums and blogs about further KHL changes. All seem convinced that the 4 spots for foreign teams left open go to Jokerit (FIN), Red Bull München (GER), Helvetics (SUI) and Malmö (SWE). What do you guys think? That would open KHL entry to all big hockey markets in Europe but leave Elitserien, DEL, NLA, SM-liiga etc without much trouble. This would be also the perfect solution for me to come back to the thread's topic.

Malmö would definitely be the team to join from Sweden. They are struggling to stay alive and has no real possibility of getting promoted to SHL anytime too soon.

Would KHL be able to fund like, a huge majority of Malmös budget if they joined? They are in pretty bad shape financially.