Friedman: Ottawa's 7th overall pick is available for trade

[orby]

Brian Dumoulin?

 

[stempniaksen]

Hopefully more than I'm expecting Guerin to get. Some sort of baseline off of what on offersheet would be.

1st + 2nd + prospect

The placement of the 1st adjusts the 2nd + prospect up or down. In Ottawa's case, with it being 7th overall, I could probably be relatively content with:

Ottawa 1st + TB 2nd + decent prospect (likely not Greig or Pinto, but someone in the next tier down).

OTT 1st + TB 2nd + Roby Jarventie.

Let's just get Dorion and Guerin in a room, tell them the fanbases figured this one out for them.

Pretty sure both sides are nervous their idiot GM is gonna be the one to give up too much/take on too little.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

OTT 1st + TB 2nd + Roby Jarventie.

Let's just get Dorion and Guerin in a room, tell them the fanbases figured this one out for them.

Pretty sure both sides are nervous their idiot GM is gonna be the one to give up too much/take on too little.

Terrifying, but exciting, but mostly terrifying.

 

[The don godfather]

Debrusk and carlo.

 

[SpezDispenser]

What would it cost? Will cost more then the 7th alone if he's extended. 25yo coming off 85pts, he'd become Ottawa's best forward instantly.

7th overall plus a prospect not named Sanderson, Greig or Pinto and a 2nd is probably in the ballpark.

Not gonna touch the Ottawa's best forward comment, except to say Batherson and Stützle would definitely have something to say about that.

OTT 1st + TB 2nd + Roby Jarventie.

Let's just get Dorion and Guerin in a room, tell them the fanbases figured this one out for them.

Pretty sure both sides are nervous their idiot GM is gonna be the one to give up too much/take on too little.

Perfect.

 

[jfhabs]

7th overall plus a prospect not named Sanderson, Greig or Pinto and a 2nd is probably in the ballpark.

Not gonna touch the Ottawa's best forward comment, except to say Batherson and Stützle would definitely have something to say about that.


Perfect.

Best player thing wasn't a sting, just saying Fiala's a legit first line winger. It'll cost you to get him.
There's probably around 15% that 7th ov turns out as good, I think Greig shouldn't be untouchable for him.
I don't see him as the same level of prospect as Pinto and certainly not Sanderson.

Hopefully more than I'm expecting Guerin to get. Some sort of baseline off of what an offersheet would be.

1st + 2nd + prospect

The placement of the 1st adjusts the 2nd + prospect up or down. In Ottawa's case, with it being 7th overall, I could probably be relatively content with:

Ottawa 1st + TB 2nd + decent prospect (likely not Greig or Pinto, but someone in the next tier down).

I'd aim for 7ov + Pinto if I'm Guerin, f*** the 2nd pick. But not sure Ottawa does it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Best player thing wasn't a sting, just saying Fiala's a legit first line winger. It'll cost you to get him.
There's probably around 15% that 7th ov turns out as good, I think Greig shouldn't be untouchable for him.
I don't see him as the same level of prospect as Pinto and certainly not Sanderson.

Seems pretty low.

 

[jfhabs]

Seems pretty low.

typo for 25%
I didn't do the full math, but I was curious. Here's what it looks like from 2014 and 2018 between picks 5 to 10. Turns out to be 36%.

Players equal or better 9 out of 25: W. Nylander, Ehlers, Provorov, Werenski, Meier, Rantanen, M. Tkachuk, Petterson, Q. Hughes.

Players that are lesser, but still good 5 out of 25 : Hanifin, Keller, Sergachev, Boqvist, Bouchard.

The rest are mostly NHLers with just a few busts.

2014 :

1	5	NY Islanders	Michael Dal Colle	L	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	112	8	13	21	18	2021-22
1	6	Vancouver	Jake Virtanen	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	317	55	45	100	219	2020-21
1	7	Carolina	Haydn Fleury	D	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]	215	9	22	31	45	2021-22
1	8	Toronto	William Nylander	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	439	137	206	343	106	2021-22
1	9	Winnipeg	Nikolaj Ehlers	L	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	478	164	194	358	165	2021-22
1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	407	71	89	160	430	2021-22

2015 :

1	5	Carolina	Noah Hanifin	D	Boston College [H-East]	517	42	159	201	130	2021-22
1	6	New Jersey	Pavel Zacha	C	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	386	69	110	179	110	2021-22
1	7	Philadelphia	Ivan Provorov	D	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	450	59	131	190	172	2021-22
1	8	Columbus	Zach Werenski	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	403	76	161	237	93	2021-22
1	9	San Jose	Timo Meier	R	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	394	123	141	264	234	2021-22
1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	408	165	243	408	216	2021-22

2016 :

1	5	Vancouver	Olli Juolevi	D	London Knights [OHL]	41	2	1	3	6	2021-22
1	6	Calgary	Matthew Tkachuk	L	London Knights [OHL]	431	152	230	382	425	2021-22
1	7	Arizona	Clayton Keller	R	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	360	96	160	256	122	2021-22
1	8	Buffalo	Alexander Nylander	L	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	84	13	19	32	14	2019-20
1	9	Montreal	Mikhail Sergachev	D	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	362	36	138	174	213	2021-22
1	10	Colorado	Tyson Jost	C	Penticton Vees [BCHL]	342	47	62	109	120	2021-22

2017 :

1	5	Vancouver	Elias Pettersson	C	Timra IK [Swe-1]	245	97	124	221	48	2021-22
1	6	Vegas	Cody Glass	C	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	74	9	14	23	14	2021-22
1	7	NY Rangers	Lias Andersson	C	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	109	7	10	17	57	2021-22
1	8	Buffalo	Casey Mittelstadt	C	Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]	195	33	47	80	28	2021-22
1	9	Detroit	Michael Rasmussen	C	Tri-City Americans [WHL]	182	26	31	57	121	2021-22
1	10	Florida	Owen Tippett	R	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	115	18	22	40	18	2021-22

2018 :

1	5	Arizona	Barrett Hayton	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	94	13	18	31	34	2021-22
1	6	Detroit	Filip Zadina	R	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	160	25	36	61	12	2021-22
1	7	Vancouver	Quinn Hughes	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	205	19	146	165	74	2021-22
1	8	Chicago	Adam Boqvist	D	Brynas IF Gavle [SweHL]	128	17	34	51	32	2021-22
1	9	NY Rangers	Vitali Kravtsov	R	Chelyabinsk Traktor [KHL]	20	2	2	4	4	2020-21
1	10	Edmonton	Evan Bouchard	D	London Knights [OHL]	102	15	34	49	32	2021-22

 

[SpezDispenser]

Best player thing wasn't a sting, just saying Fiala's a legit first line winger. It'll cost you to get him.
There's probably around 15% that 7th ov turns out as good, I think Greig shouldn't be untouchable for him.
I don't see him as the same level of prospect as Pinto and certainly not Sanderson.


I'd aim for 7ov + Pinto if I'm Guerin, f*** the 2nd pick. But not sure Ottawa does it.

I'm obviously not GM, but Pinto, Greig and Sanderson are all off the table if I was. That's a healthy offer for Fiala, Pinto or Greig added is too much IMO.

 

[57special]

Is it because 7th-10th is not so good or because 10th-18th is very good? I tend to think it's the latter.
Looks like a pretty deep draft, specially on defense imo

For me, it's more that the only "no doubters" are maybe Nemec and Jiricek - even Wright has way more question marks than guys like Lafreniere and Kakko did going into the draft, which certainly makes you think. I do like the potential of a lot of players going way into the 2nd round, though. This is the year that I would like to have a lot of mid and later firsts, and even seconds. There seem to be a lot of dmen with tantalizing skillsets and assets...guys like Luneau, Warren, Rinzel. Other, more proven guys like Chesley could go as late as the 2nd round, and could be really good pros. Same with guys like McGroarty, Mirischinenko, Ostlund, Byfield, HUghes.

A player like Geekie or Savoie is really hard to project, IMO. Will Savoie be one of those guys who's skills translate, and we mock GM's for not taking him earlier? Geekie seems to be one of those guys who really impresses some scouts, and borderline appalls others.

 

[57special]

Bo Horvat

7th

That's a fair offer, but OTT is a team that really doesn't need to pay a premium for a C, unless they think that Stutzle isn't one.

 

[57special]

OTT 1st + TB 2nd + Roby Jarventie.

Let's just get Dorion and Guerin in a room, tell them the fanbases figured this one out for them.

Pretty sure both sides are nervous their idiot GM is gonna be the one to give up too much/take on too little.

I'd do that from MN. Or just the OTT 1st and 2nd, no Jarventie. I'm kind of high on this year's draft depth, if not the quality at the top. OTT might be smart to hold onto their 2nd, though, as an interesting RHD like Luneau, Chesley, or Rinzel might be available(among others) there. They could use a RHD with size and defensive ability.

 

[izzy]

why? arent there any elite players like tyler boucher available this year?

 

[Qward]

why? arent there any elite players like tyler boucher available this year?

Zing! You got us!

 

[Groo]

why? arent there any elite players like tyler boucher available this year?

 

[jfhabs]

For me, it's more that the only "no doubters" are maybe Nemec and Jiricek - even Wright has way more question marks than guys like Lafreniere and Kakko did going into the draft, which certainly makes you think. I do like the potential of a lot of players going way into the 2nd round, though. This is the year that I would like to have a lot of mid and later firsts, and even seconds. There seem to be a lot of dmen with tantalizing skillsets and assets...guys like Luneau, Warren, Rinzel. Other, more proven guys like Chesley could go as late as the 2nd round, and could be really good pros. Same with guys like McGroarty, Mirischinenko, Ostlund, Byfield, HUghes.

A player like Geekie or Savoie is really hard to project, IMO. Will Savoie be one of those guys who's skills translate, and we mock GM's for not taking him earlier? Geekie seems to be one of those guys who really impresses some scouts, and borderline appalls others.

Feel the same about the depth, I think the only issue with Wright is early expectations on him and lack of franchise talent ahead of him. He's a top 5 pick in any draft IMO. If there were a McDavid and a Matthews top2 in this draft year, Wright would be picked 3rd without any hesitation, but the stigma and pressure of picking 1st....

 

[Langdon Alger]

Trade it for a goalie.

 

[57special]

Feel the same about the depth, I think the only issue with Wright is early expectations on him and lack of franchise talent ahead of him. He's a top 5 pick in any draft IMO. If there were a McDavid and a Matthews top2 in this draft year, Wright would be picked 3rd without any hesitation, but the stigma and pressure of picking 1st....

Wright seems like a Hischier level prospect, maybe a bit better, going into the draft. Obviously, with hindsight, we can point to players like Makar and Rantanen, but hindsight is 20/20.

My fear from a MN POV is that Guerin trades Fiala for Boucher, Brown, and a conditional 2023 2nd.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wright seems like a Hischier level prospect, maybe a bit better, going into the draft. Obviously, with hindsight, we can point to players like Makar and Rantanen, but hindsight is 20/20.

My fear from a MN POV is that Guerin trades Fiala for Boucher, Brown, and a conditional 2023 2nd.

Damn it. Gonna be thinking about that one for a while now.

 

[deVolt]

Not that i think Buffalo would do it but JJ Peterka for that pick maybe?

 

[Sun God Nika]

Not that i think Buffalo would do it but JJ Peterka for that pick maybe?

lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not that i think Buffalo would do it but JJ Peterka for that pick maybe?

No chance Ottawa does that.

 

[deVolt]

No chance Ottawa does that.

their loss again, I dont think they will get better player at 7 in this draft.

 

[bernmeister]

Could there be a connection with the Rangers?

Would someone like Lundkvist be a good start? He is one of the best NHL RD prospects in the entire league. He’s just blocked off by Fox, Trouba, and Schneider.

I would want to see the Rangers trade from a position of strength for a C like Savoie.

What else would the Rangers have to include to make a deal enticing for OTT?

Offer Schneider and Ottawa probably does it. Lundkvist while a good prospect is in the mold of what they have in Thompson and Bernard docker.

Any interest in Reinhart or Weegar?
Weegar would need to agree to an extension obviously, but he's from Ottawa and is apparently in love with the place, so I see no reason why he wouldn't extend.

I was driving the Reinhart to Ottawa bus before he was moved to Florida. Honestly, a Reinhart/Weegar package is perfect for Ottawa, fills both their glaring needs with young-ish guys, one of them local. It would certainly check a lot of boxes. I figured those were both guys the Panthers would hang on to, but they are near perfect fits for the Sens. Would obviously take #7+ for both, but I'd assume Dorion wouldn't be averse to that.

Lundkvist is worth no more than a late 1st. He's an OK prospect that's not exactly done a ton to make you think he's a surefire top player, which you expect from a top 10 pick. Absurd to think that he's worth anything remotely close to a top 10 pick. He's 4 years removed from his draft and isn't particularly exceptional. He's worth about what he was drafted at - maybe slightly more because he's more of a sure thing.

Trade it for a goalie.

The Rangers are not a fit b'c guys they have to move for cap [Trouba/bread/Zib] have nmc so no, not just OTT, but general no, and Zib return to OTT is also a factor vs.

Nils L won some prize and he is not chopped liver. NY in a vacuum should retain and develop, unless there is useful return that is enough on the table now w/o taking on vets, NY needs to shed cap. Not saying he by his lonesome is worth 7OA, but rather keep than a late 1st.
Also there is hope they can bribe Trouba to waive but only to where he wants, like FL. In that case, then Schneider = 2RD, Nils L = 3RD.

NY could theoretically gamble on moving Shesty if they want to gamble on G guru coach Benny Allaire developing another netminder gem for us. Big risk, but could be worth it if the return includes a Sanderson +. Howev, that is problematic as well.

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something like this could work:

Reinhart and Weegar to Sens
Jones and Trouba + Rangers next 1st round pick [2022 or 2023] to Panthers
plus a sweetener from OTT to Panthers
7OA to Rangers

OTT gets 2 adds for now, FL adds useful assets + pick [they are bare there], NY get high pick + cap relief

something like that.

Also Copp may give NY a shot since he was such a good fit, but he is good friends w/Trouba and not sure about $$ fitting, but w/this deal Panthers go high on his list.

 

[LMFAO]

How about Jeff Petry?

I’m sorry but this should be ban worthy.

Somebody mentioned Bertuzzi, he only has one year left on his contract, also the whole antivax thing makes him hard to trade.