Speculation: Ottawa offer sheet for Barzal

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  1. CaptainCally Registered User

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    Melnyk is a cheapskate so this won't happen. And if it did he'd be stupid... he'd give up four (probably) top 5-10 picks.

    Isles fans just for the hell of it; would you take four 1st round picks from Ottawa?
     
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    If Ottawa had ownership that would spend,then its more than likely we arent a lottery team...Come on now
     
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    Isles were on a losing streak but it’s not a guarantee they would have missed the playoffs. Getting to the conference finals isn’t really lucky. They earned it.

    The isles have a couple of tough contracts but their cap issues are overblown. It’s manageable. Let’s see what happens in the offseason. I wouldn’t judge until after this year.

    as for an Offersheet for Barzal, I guess it’s possible but offer sheets rarely get signed. If Barzal did happen to sign one the islanders would match anything within reason.
     
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    Yeah even if they lose this has been a great season for the Ilses,Barzal needs better wingers on that top line,but also needs to keep that great team game going...Very interesting offseason coming up for them
     
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    Barzal has elite talents. He just turned 23 and Barry Trotz has turned him into a complete player. Guys like that don’t grow on trees. Draft picks are hit or miss. Isles have had a bunch of top5 picks that haven’t worked out. In Fact, most of our good first rounders besides Tavares and Bailey came outside of the top10.

    Personally I’d rather keep the 23 year old #1 center.
     
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    Seems about right. Pulock is then pretty vulnerable. Good sized RHD is not something NYI want to lose. The problem is that an offersheet compensation for that guy might be smaller than the cost of a trade.
     
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    If we were talking about a team in a similar situation to the Sens, who weren't actually the Sens, this might make sense. But the Sens as they exist in the world today, are not offersheeting anyone. Maybe the Red Wings would, idk.

    And I suspect that you'd have to go to 12m or 13m before the Islanders even dream of taking the picks. If they give up Barzal that's an instant rebuild, and why would a team who's playing in the ECF right now even consider a rebuild, no matter how tight their cap situation is? Wishful thinking tbh.
     
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    This is a plot from a 80s comedy where Melnyk hits his head and becomes possessed by the ghost of Cy Denneny and starts having spells when he aggressively tries to turn his team into a Stanley Cup winner. Melnyk played by Don Ameche*

    *I know he’s been dead for 30 years, don’t ruin this for me.
     
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    Lol at the idea of Melnyk signing off on paying a guy 11 mill a year... cmon
     
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    This would be insane as the picks would HAVE to be Ott's own picks.
     
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    As S190 pointed out,Isles have had plenty of top 10 duds : Strome,Reinhart,MDC,Nino.
    We'll stick with the 23 yr old 1C we have.
     
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    Ottawa can't offer 8 years.
     
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    I dont see anyway Lou lets either of Pulock or Barzal go. If need be the isles will be able to offload Leddy quite easily.

    I could see a scenario that would involve moving Toews for a top 6 winger.
     
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    I guess this is your view, but I think it holds as much water as this entire thread does. An early exit from the playoffs=time on your hands.
     
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    Ottawa offersheeting Barzel to a contract NY wouldn't match is just as funny as people believing broke Zona was going to offer sheet Mathews at the full 20% of the cap allowed under the CBA .
     
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    Why would he want to play for a rebuilding team when he just tasted three rounds of SC hockey playoff? Do not see him move just for the money. This thread is from someone try so hard to screw Isles's long term cap situation and I can't see Ottawa doing it because they are not a rival team. He may be more interested in either stay long term or try to get a five-year RFA contract to see if he can play for either Vancouver or Seattle down the road as he is a BC boy.

    Did not I just read a lot of HB posters saying that Barzal is not elite yet so why would he get paid like one right now just for the sake of screwing the Isles cap further?

    Winning the Calder does not guarantee you get an offer sheet. Isles will pay Barzal but the amount will be similar to what Point and Aho got and I would argue even less because both have outproduced him this season. Ottawa will not be on his list of preferred destinations to play his RFA years out.
     
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    Is Melnyk still running the team? If so I doubt he would shell out the cash to make him interested.
     
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    Melnyk: We'll offer the max offer sheet for Barzel (as a bluff, fully knowing he doesn't have the funds)
    Barzel and Co: We accept your offer
    NYI: We'll take our chances with the 4 1st's and cap space
    Melnyk: "Gulp"
     
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    Lou would put a hit out on the entire city of Ottawa if this happens, which it won't.
     
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    I don't know how well you follow the National Hockey League, but it would actually be very surprising to see the Ottawa Senators offer Matt Barzal an eight-year $88-million contract that violates the CBA and would expose four unprotected first-round draft picks.

    Even if the offer were made, Barzal could not accept it for want of compliance with the CBA, and we might never hear about it.

    Furthermore, even if it were compliant, Ottawa would be crazy to expose four unprotected firsts, and Barzal would be very unlikely to accept in any event.
     
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    Minnesota could throw a 10.9 AAV at him pretty easily
     
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    Ottawa is last team that should be doing this, they are rebuilding, so it can go south quickly.

    Also Eugene Melnyk will have a heart attack when he sees the financial numbers.
     
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    Ottawa giving up that many firsts while rebuilding would be insane. Even for a beauty like Barzel.

    This isn't happening.
     
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    No. It's not insane. What is it that people here can't understand? You are getting a proven 23 year old player who is a first rounder. So now you give up only 3. You have 3 first rounders this year, 2 in the top 5. So now you give up one. You have 7, second rounders the next two years. Who gives a crap if you have 3 first rounders all in one year compared to 4 spaced over four years. You still have to make the right picks. Plus, there is no way after at least one season that Ottawa will be picking in the top 15 with Barzal and the rest of the young players improving. So when you get past the top 12, that's when you get a much higher bust rate with those picks. Look at Lazar. Bust. Ceci nothing to write home about as a player. Noesen and Puempel. Busts. White taken 21st looks like a role player. Just because you have first round picks, especially out of the top 12, doesn't mean you are going to pick a franchise changing player. Or even a good NHL player.
     
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    Would be a smart move by Montreal. They have the cap space to do it and are much closer to competing.
     

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