Confirmed Trade: [OTT/PIT] Matt Murray for Jonathan Gruden and 2020 2nd round pick

[lordstanley91]

He plays too deep in the net which is a much bigger problem that his glove.

He won 2 cups with the same glove, but the last 3 years he's afraid to challenge shooters for some reason. It's like he has absolutely no trust in his defense to take away the pass. Almost like it's a personal grudge at this point...

And I don't blame him personally because there have been some horrendous D in front of him, but he's not going to win hockey games or the lockerroom with that kind of attitude.

He does play super deep and that does not help him in any way.

 

[Merc29]

Wow, I'd love to acquaint you with the many many Pens-Sens trade threads involving Murray over the last 5 months.

If you looked everywhere else, Murray wasn't worth squat with the diluted goalie poll. It just so happened that a team with 30 picks in the 1st and 2nd could afford to give up a mid 2nd to take a chance on a, still young, former 2 time cup winner. Doesn't mean he's worth it. If you're expecting Murray to come in and save your franchise, you sir, will be sadly mistaken.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I can guarantee one thing - our cheap owner won't be paying that and the Sens knew it, so I'd guess short term at 4 ish a year. 12 million is my guess.

The Pens would have kept Murray if he was willing to sign a 3 year deal with 4milAAV. There have been a few reports in Pittsburgh that he turned down a 5 year x 5milAAV from the Pens. Thus the Pens were willing to keep him at 5 mil.

He will go to arbitration unless OTT offers a 5-6 year deal around 6-7milAAV. If not, then he will play out his one year and then go UFA.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Penguins fans tearing down villages trying to make sense of this trade

 

[GoldiFox]

The Pens would have kept Murray if he was willing to sign a 3 year deal with 4milAAV. There have been a few reports in Pittsburgh that he turned down a 5 year x 5milAAV from the Pens. Thus the Pens were willing to keep him at 5 mil.

He will go to arbitration unless OTT offers a 5-6 year deal around 6-7milAAV. If not, then he will play out his one year and then go UFA.

It was reported that the Canes lost interest when they heard he wanted $6 million. I'm glad they walked as Murray just isn't worth that. I'd guess he goes to arbitration and settles around $4-5 million for 1-2 years (depending on if team or player elects) before going to UFA.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

Should have traded for Rask

 

[SpezDispenser]

The Pens would have kept Murray if he was willing to sign a 3 year deal with 4milAAV. There have been a few reports in Pittsburgh that he turned down a 5 year x 5milAAV from the Pens. Thus the Pens were willing to keep him at 5 mil.

He will go to arbitration unless OTT offers a 5-6 year deal around 6-7milAAV. If not, then he will play out his one year and then go UFA.

We'll see, not sure they were able to talk to his agent apparently, which is silly, but they had to have an idea about what he'd sign for. And committing 25 mil to a goalie was likely not in the cards.

 

[Pengu]

It is highly likely he will only sign for 1 year before becoming a ufa next off season.
Can't see the sens paying him what he wants.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Penguins fans tearing down villages trying to make sense of this trade

What is there to make sense of?

The Pens just got a second for MM, who has been pretty abysmal the last couple seasons.

In a saturated goalie market, for a goalie who was playing poorly, is a RFA that wants 6-7m per... it’s pretty obvious JR got a nice return.

All the talk in Pgh was that he would maybe fetch a third or would strong arm the Pens into arbitration so they would have to walk away from his deal and make him an UFA.

 

[Pinto Bean]

What is there to make sense of?

The Pens just got a second for MM, who has been pretty abysmal the last couple seasons.

In a saturated goalie market, for a goalie who was playing poorly, is a RFA that wants 6-7m per... it’s pretty obvious JR got a nice return.

All the talk in Pgh was that he would maybe fetch a third or would strong arm the Pens into arbitration so they would have to walk away from his deal and make him an UFA.

PIT gave away a young goaltender with great career numbers for a late 2nd and a meh prospect. No risk, High reward potential for Ottawa. The tough off-season continues in PIT

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

PIT gave away a young goaltender with great career numbers for a late 2nd and a meh prospect. No risk, High reward potential for Ottawa. The tough off-season continues in PIT

The Pens traded a goalie that hasn’t been the same since his father died and has struggled mightily.

Now he wants paid for something he did three years ago, not who he is now.

Pens just signed their all-star goalie to a bargain bin contract instead of overpaying MM.

Chances are extremely high the Sens over pay MM and he continues to struggle.

He won’t carry a young and struggling team on his back, but he will be paid like he can.

Pretty obvious you haven’t been watching MM the last few years.

 

[TooManyHumans]

PIT gave away a young goaltender with great career numbers for a late 2nd and a meh prospect. No risk, High reward potential for Ottawa. The tough off-season continues in PIT

You clearly have not spent any time on the Penguins board. Most Penguins fans didn't expect even this much given everything going on with the goalie market and Murray's recent play.

 

[Pinto Bean]

The Pens traded a goalie that hasn’t been the same since his father died and has struggled mightily.

Now he wants paid for something he did three years ago, not who he is now.

Pens just signed their all-star goalie to a bargain bin contract instead of overpaying MM.

Chances are extremely high the Sens over pay MM and he continues to struggle.

He won’t carry a young and struggling team on his back, but he will be paid like he can.

Pretty obvious you haven’t been watching MM the last few years.

The fact that me simply writing Murray has great career numbers and Ottawa gave up nothing for him caused you to write up all of this tells me you're grasping for straws big time.

 

[Pinto Bean]

You clearly have not spent any time on the Penguins board. Most Penguins fans didn't expect even this much given everything going on with the goalie market and Murray's recent play.

Okay? Glad PIT fans were expecting nothing for him all along. Too bad you didn't trade him when you could actually get some value for him.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The fact that me simply writing Murray has great career numbers and Ottawa gave up nothing for him caused you to write up all of this tells me you're grasping for straws big time.

Oh, so basically you are living in 2017.

Why didn’t you just say that?

 

[Pinto Bean]

Oh, so basically you are living in 2017.

Why didn’t you just say that?

This is a great buy low move for Ottawa. Getting a goalie who has statistically had a great career while coming off of some time struggling. All of this while still being so young by goalie standards.

If Murray never struggled like this, he would never have been had such minimal trade value.

 

[SenzZen]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Not expecting much from him, though.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This is a great buy low move for Ottawa. Getting a goalie who has statistically had a great career while coming off of some time struggling to go along withbeing a young age.

If Murray never struggled like this, he would never have been had such minimal trade value.

So basically Ott is going to pay MM a silly contract for what he did three years ago, but not what he’s done since then (which is struggle mightily).

Meanwhile the Pens will roll with their all-star goalie making about half of what MM wants.

 

[Pinto Bean]

So basically Ott is going to pay MM a silly contract for what he did three years ago, but not what he’s done since then (which is struggle mightily).

Meanwhile the Pens will roll with their all-star goalie making about half of what MM wants.

You're assuming so many negative hypotheticals to try and make sense of this trade (as shown in many of your posts in this thread).

Fact of the matter is - at this point in time, Ottawa got a young goalie with great career numbers who also happens to fill a massive need for the team all while acquiring him at a low low transactional price.

 

[SomeDude]

24 hours ago Murray was an overrated has-been who peaked at 23 that was not worth any significant assets.

Now he's a good, valuable, young goalie that the Pens gave up on too quick.

Never change, HFBoards.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You're assuming so many negative hypotheticals to try and make sense of this trade (as shown in many of your posts in this thread).

So you saying a guy struggling for the last few years will magically rebound on a bottom feeder because you want him to isn’t a hypothetical?

Sounds like you are in denial about MM, but that’s cool.

 

[Pinto Bean]

24 hours ago Murray was an overrated has-been who peaked at 23 that was not worth any significant assets.

Now he's a good, valuable, young goalie that the Pens gave up on too quick.

Never change, HFBoards.

Well, he clearly wasn't/isn't valuable.

 

[Pinto Bean]

So you saying a guy struggling for the last few years will magically rebound on a bottom feeder because you want him to isn’t a hypothetical?

Sounds like you are in denial about MM, but that’s cool.

It's possible. Clearly the price the Sens had to pay is indicative of a goalie who has been struggling for years. This is why it's a great buy low transaction for the Sens. They gave up nothing for a young goaltender with great career numbers who has been struggling.

Murray struggling is one of the big reasons he returned nothing in a trade, but he has obviously shown that he can be a top tier goaltender. This is why its a great buy low candidate with potential to be something more.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

It's possible. Clearly the price the Sens had to pay is indicative of a goalie who has been struggling for years. This is why it's a great buy low transaction for the Sens. They gave up nothing for a young goaltender with great career numbers who has been struggling.

Murray struggling is one of the big reasons he returned nothing in a trade, but he has obviously shown that he can be a top tier goaltender. Thus, being a great buy low candidate with potential to do something more.

Last I checked they got a second, which is way higher than any of the predictions coming out of Pgh.

Sens had to give up a second and they will have to pay him a huge contract and pray he somehow rebounds.

Sens are taking all the risks here, meanwhile the Pens got back a nice asset to draft another young goalie and avoided investing a big contract into a struggling goalie.

Maybe MM if he went to a young ready made contender like Col I could see him rebounding.

He isn’t the type that will carry a bottom feeder like the Sens anywhere IMHO.

 

[Qward]

Should have traded for Rask

He would have cost more. Both asset wise and financially.