Confirmed Trade: [OTT/PIT] Matt Murray for Jonathan Gruden and 2020 2nd round pick

[Beauner]

Will me digging up articles from more than month ago make you feel better or worse about being wrong?

I don't think that's the reply you wanted there lol

 

[USMC607]

The blackhawks had a deal in place for Murray and rumor was his asking price was 7x7 and that's why the Hawks bailed.

I'll be interested to see what he signs for with the Sens. Just to see how true (or close to it) the rumor was.

If it was true that asking price probably nuked alot of potential deals before this one was finalized.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I don't think that's the reply you wanted there lol

What do you mean? If I dig up articles that showed he was wrong, I have no idea if he will be mad about losing face on a stupid internet pissing contest or maybe it will give him peace of mind knowing that he simply made a mistake.

 

[CanadienShark]

That's so cheap for a guy who's won multiple cups as a starter, and he's still young. I wonder how we'll look back on this in a few years. Maybe the Pens are selling "high", but I'm not so sure.

 

[SpezDispenser]

The blackhawks had a deal in place for Murray and rumor was his asking price was 7x7 and that's why the Hawks bailed.

I'll be interested to see what he signs for with the Sens. Just to see how true (or close to it) the rumor was.

If it was true that asking price probably nuked alot of potential deals before this one was finalized.

I can guarantee one thing - our cheap owner won't be paying that and the Sens knew it, so I'd guess short term at 4 ish a year. 12 million is my guess.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

That was the moment that the final horn sounded in game 6 and the Pens just won their 2nd Stanley Cup in a row. I'd imagine he dove on the ice in celebration.

No, that was the reaction to Carl Hagelin's empty netter.

 

[stardog]

wow im pretty suprised Pitt moved on this fast from Murray - people said I was crazy for calling out Murrays performance being bad

I doubt many Pens fans called you crazy because the overwhelming majority of us have been calling his performance poor for quite awhile now

 

[stardog]

What do you mean? If I dig up articles that showed he was wrong, I have no idea if he will be mad about losing face on a stupid internet pissing contest or maybe it will give him peace of mind knowing that he simply made a mistake.

Digging up articles will only prove extreme pettiness and childish pride (rather than the pettiness it is atm)especially considering his response to the original post that you cherry picked was 100% on point.

 

[JThorne]

The new Lalime?

 

[T REX]

Damn. Pitt, that's how you treat former heros?

Ottawa. I'd retire first. Banished to that organization?

Awful.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The blackhawks had a deal in place for Murray and rumor was his asking price was 7x7 and that's why the Hawks bailed.

I'll be interested to see what he signs for with the Sens. Just to see how true (or close to it) the rumor was.

If it was true that asking price probably nuked alot of potential deals before this one was finalized.

You can't give him more than 3 years imo. He won't sign for that. This is headed for a one year deal with whatever he gets from arbitration which both sides will probably be ok with ultimately.

 

[Pancakes]

Didn’t he have a lot of injuries ?

Some, yeah. And his dad died as well.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Murray was and still is a good goalie with a great resume. Still many questions out there as far as contract situation etc.

A young team on the up will really benefit from his experience. Hes still only 26 years old. His glove hand scares me a bit but when he is on he is on.

Kid definitly deserves the money and term he just wasnt going to get it in Pittsburgh with the way the organizaition is structured. Just the same same way MAF was let go. A cheaper solid option is available.

All things considered with the market, supposed contract demands, flat cap the Pens were lucky to get what they did. In another season things would most likely be much different. I mean look at all the players not recieving QO's. The market is pretty crazy right now.

 

[TSA0402]

Seems like a low return for Murray... I believe the Oilers were in on Murray until the ask was their 14th overall pick and a good prospect. Pretty sure they would have beaten the Sens offer.

Last year I'd completely agree it would be highway robbery. This year flat cap that is hindering most teams. Not to mention there are at least a few UFA goalies right now arguably better than Murray. Allegedly asking alot of money in tighter cap era which doesn't help. I was a bit disappointed was hoping only the deal was mid-late 2nd tops.

 

[TheAngryHank]

I dunno about this trade... I hear Murray has a glove problem.

Not so much the glove ,but the area just above it.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Bad move , i would have traded Howard for a six pack... of stella.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Nobody did.

I remember taking heat for saying something to the effect of Murray was worse for the Penguins than Galchenyuk I might be misremembering the gist of the convo and responses tho

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Damn. Pitt, that's how you treat former heros?

Ottawa. I'd retire first. Banished to that organization?

Awful.

Murray I suspect wanted out of Pgh, so even Ott to him is better than being around the ingrates he has to deal with in Pgh.

A large segment of fans railed on him because he wasn’t the happy go lucky flake MAF.

He never got the appreciation he deserved and instead was accused of stealing the Flake’s cup rings.

He probably was counting the seconds to get out of Pgh.

I just wish he went to a better franchise that’s ready to compete now like Col.

Not sure if he is going to be the savior in net the fans think in Ott. I suspect he will continue his struggles there, unfortunately.

He’s the goalie that helps put you over the top when you have an already great team around him, but he’s not going to be a stand on your head guy that helps lift a bad team into playoff contention.

Not so much the glove ,but the area just above it.

That was more of an inside, but lame joke about his glove that has persisted among Pens fans who hate him.

But ya, since his father died he hasn’t been the same, so it’s all mental IMHO.

 

[Shoofyou10]

I don’t know how anyone could say that this is anything but a win for both sides. As a Pens fan, my prospective is that Jarry outplayed Murray and won the job (Murray with a .899 sv%). He was resigned at a reasonable 3.5 for the next 3 years to be the starter. Murray will likely command north of 6 mil and the Pens couldn’t afford that. Murray could have maybe saved his job when this season resumed but he was terrible the whole training camp 2.0 and looked not very engaged in the Canadiens series. The pens needed to move him without taking on any salary because they are up against the cap. I’m sure GMJR wanted a 1st rounder but it didn’t happen. He took the best offer and considering they couldn’t keep Murray and the saturated goalie market the return was fair. Jarry and DeSmith for 5 mil combined vs Jarry and Murray for 10 mil combined is what’s best for Pens. From Sens side, probably a worthy gamble hoping that MM can rebound. They didn’t give up much to get him. But if he ends up more like the guy we’ve seen the last two years and they commit long term to him at 6 or 7 mil then it could become a problem.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Murray I suspect wanted out of Pgh, so even Ott to him is better than being around the ingrates he has to deal with in Pgh.

A large segment of fans railed on him because he wasn’t the happy go lucky flake MAF.

He never got the appreciation he deserved and instead was accused of stealing the Flake’s cup rings.

He probably was counting the seconds to get out of Pgh.

I just wish he went to a better franchise that’s ready to compete now like Col.

Not sure if he is going to be the savior in net the fans think in Ott. I suspect he will continue his struggles there, unfortunately.

He’s the goalie that helps put you over the top when you have an already great team around him, but he’s not going to be a stand on your head guy that helps lift a bad team into playoff contention.



That was more of an inside, but lame joke about his glove that has persisted among Pens fans who hate him.

But ya, since his father died he hasn’t been the same, so it’s all mental IMHO.

The last part is a tragedy, hope he gets past it and and finds his mojo.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The last part is a tragedy, hope he gets past it and and finds his mojo.

As someone who lost his mom way too early, I can say the heartbreak never goes away... and it’s been eight years for me... which is over twice as long since Murray lost his dad.

So I doubt he’s even anywhere close to being healed from his father’s death.

 

[TheAngryHank]

As someone who lost his mom way too early, I can say the heartbreak never goes away... and it’s been eight years for me... which is over twice as long since Murray lost his dad.

So I doubt he’s even anywhere close to being healed from his father’s death.

Hang tough brother.

 

[lordstanley91]

That's so cheap for a guy who's won multiple cups as a starter, and he's still young. I wonder how we'll look back on this in a few years. Maybe the Pens are selling "high", but I'm not so sure.

Murray has been terrible since his cups and had the worst glove hand I have ever seen.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Hang tough brother.

Appreciate that, but I wasn’t trying to make it about me.

I was just trying to make the point that a few years after losing his father is just a drop in the bucket.

I 100% guarantee it’s still raw for him and I doubt he heals from this until years down the line.

There is no doubt in my mind his father’s death started his downward spiral, sadly.

 

[PensPlz]

Murray has been terrible since his cups and had the worst glove hand I have ever seen.

He plays too deep in the net which is a much bigger problem that his glove.

He won 2 cups with the same glove, but the last 3 years he's afraid to challenge shooters for some reason. It's like he has absolutely no trust in his defense to take away the pass. Almost like it's a personal grudge at this point...

And I don't blame him personally because there have been some horrendous D in front of him, but he's not going to win hockey games or the lockerroom with that kind of attitude.