No Fun Shogun
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Dusty might be going to the Astros?
Finally an actual significant punishment.
Finally an actual significant punishment.
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Stereotyping people on a hockey forum and white people as ignorant to "black cultural icons" is some special kind of stuff.
But by all means, carry on.
Pete Rose played roughly 1000 games more than most HoFers. That 3500 games is the same record number Dusty has coached without a WS win.
ColdSteel2
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Why do you want to keep him? If they don’t make the playoffs, they are going to regret not getting younger, cheaper players for him.
Why do I want the Cubs to keep a player on a HOF trajectory? The answer is obvious.
The "haul" for Bryant really doesn't seem like it would be all that much based upon rumors.
I want the Cubs to keep and pay their best players.
MurrayBannerman
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Gotta get that extra year of control so you can only keep him for 5 years.
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Right. I’ve already let go of the idea of signing him, but I hope it is still possible.
MurrayBannerman
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Gotta think that'd be different if they hadn't thrown out all good will from the outset.
ChiHawks10
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Ah yes, because what the Cubs did was definitely not standard practice at the time.
Honestly, do you even think before you post?
ColdSteel2
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No doubt. They botched things with Bryant. It hurts.
It was a risky, experimental move that teams tried out and pissed off some of the superstars in the game by trying it. Now they are pushing back.
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Hopefully they trade him soon. Sick of hearing about him and how jilted he feels. Also sick of the Cubs in general.
ChiHawks10
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Ultimately the blame falls on the MLBPA for agreeing to it in the first place. I have no problem with clubs doing it, because the players agreed to it, so it's on them.
That said, no one should be surprised if it pisses off superstars who should be in the MLB, and they leave that organization because of it.
That said, no one should be surprised if it pisses off superstars who should be in the MLB, and they leave that organization because of it.
MurrayBannerman
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MurrayBannerman
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While I think you're technically right, the "good faith" provision in the rules have clearly either been violated or are nothing more than window dressing.
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Yeah, Bryant is with Boras though. Even if the Cubs wanted to sign him early, it may not have been an option. I don’t blame teams that don’t want to work with him. The Cubs made a difficult situation worse by screwing around with his callup.
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It's a problem when the Cubs and Red Sox don't want to pay Kris Bryant and Mookie Betts.
Pay those men their money.
Players need more leverage earlier in their careers in modern baseball. In a league that is increasingly weary of paying free agents, players need to have some sort of leverage to get paid their free agent money earlier. I'm for restricted free agency in lieu of arbitration.
Pay those men their money.
Players need more leverage earlier in their careers in modern baseball. In a league that is increasingly weary of paying free agents, players need to have some sort of leverage to get paid their free agent money earlier. I'm for restricted free agency in lieu of arbitration.
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Right, and a big part of him/them making an exception was the Nats looking out for him when they shut him down a few years earlier when he hit his innings limit.
The call up was the Cubs opportunity to get in their good graces and it seems they pissed it away.
Not the point. People are human and have emotions, and even if other teams would have done the same thing to him, the Cubs are the team that did. Compare it to a romantic relationship. You may not forgive a woman who cheated on you, but that’s not to say that you would necessarily rule out dating a different girl who may have cheated on her old boyfriend.
b1e9a8r5s
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I don't fault the Cubs for how this was handled. It's not like Boras was going to advice Bryant to take a long term deal that would potentially limit his earning potential before free agency. I also don't think this will change anything. If the Cubs offer the most money he'll stay and if not Boras will get it somewhere else.
It's a dumb system, but the Cubs didn't do anything wrong. If they had brought him up to start the year and he was now on his last year and Boras was insistent on taking him to free agency, I'm sure that many of the people criticizing the Cubs now would be criticizing them for giving up a year of time. I'm not a Cubs fan, so I don't really care, but I don't see how they did anything wrong.
The Cubs trading or resigning him will have noting to do with the few weeks they kept him down. I think it's silly to suggest otherwise.
Also there's this... Not sure who to believe.
Don’t expect any major changes to the relationship between Kris Bryant and the Cubs in the wake of today’s ruling on his service-time grievance action. There’s “no ill will whatsoever” towards the team on Bryant’s part, a source tells Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
Kris Bryant Has "No Ill Will" Towards Cubs After Grievance Loss
It's a dumb system, but the Cubs didn't do anything wrong. If they had brought him up to start the year and he was now on his last year and Boras was insistent on taking him to free agency, I'm sure that many of the people criticizing the Cubs now would be criticizing them for giving up a year of time. I'm not a Cubs fan, so I don't really care, but I don't see how they did anything wrong.
The Cubs trading or resigning him will have noting to do with the few weeks they kept him down. I think it's silly to suggest otherwise.
Also there's this... Not sure who to believe.
Don’t expect any major changes to the relationship between Kris Bryant and the Cubs in the wake of today’s ruling on his service-time grievance action. There’s “no ill will whatsoever” towards the team on Bryant’s part, a source tells Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
Kris Bryant Has "No Ill Will" Towards Cubs After Grievance Loss
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b1e9a8r5s
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Are you suggesting that Bryant would forgo more money from the Cubs if they had the best offer to go somewhere else in 2 years? Are you suggesting Boras would have advised him to take less from the Cubs now had they brought him up on day 1? Because if the answer to both of those is no, what are we even talking about?
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Go back to March 2017, who would've thought that this is the spot the Cubs would be in today in 2020. I'm surprised they weren't able to challenge for more World Series wins than they have so far. I'm not a Cubs fan, but my dad and friends are. Feel for you guys. I imagine this is what it would be like if the Hawks only won in 2010 and lost in the 2nd round to Detroit or something like that.
Elsewhere in the NL Central: "Over the previous decade, the Reds committed just $121.1 million in free agency -- the lowest total of any team. This offseason they've now signed Nick Castellanos ($64 million), Mike Moustakas ($64 million), Shogo Akiyama ($21 million) and Wade Miley ($15 million)." Cincinnati Reds Baseball - Reds News, Scores, Stats, Rumors & More - ESPN
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