Prospect Info: Olli Juolevi, Pt. IV | Out for remainder of 2018-19

[Ryp37]

I have a feeling that Juolevi+ for Subban might be something that happens.

Nashville can actually scout D though so I doubt it

 

[valkynax]

According to Guds, perrenial Norris trophy candidate, you need at least 300 NHL games.

Still, I'd cut the guy a little slack. Wait until he gets at least a callup to the parent club.

Oh most of this is not about OJ himself.

It's about our dim witted GM who drafted OJ and all his followers who thinks OJ is million times better than the nasty PPG winger whom we gifted to Calgary on a silver, f***ing, platter.

I still remember someone from a year and half ago saying Tkachuk is not an impact player, he's not a core, he's not elite.

I would like to see them say that again right now. Let me grab some popcorn first.

 

[M2Beezy]

You definitely have issues with sarcasm.

Yeah is not always easy to see on a computer screen, everyone does

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Yeah is not always easy to see on a computer screen, everyone does

Sure they do.

 

[VanJack]

OJ with back surgery and now knee surgery, and he's barely 20. Not looking good. I had just a bad feeling that Tkachuk going to a division rival at #6 in that draft would come back to bite us in the butt big-time.

Almost since that draft, the Flames and Canucks have been heading in opposite directions.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

OJ with back surgery and now knee surgery, and he's barely 20. Not looking good. I had just a bad feeling that Tkachuk going to a division rival at #6 in that draft would come back to bite us in the butt big-time.

Almost since that draft, the Flames and Canucks have been heading in opposite directions.

Just imagine. Tkachuk Horvat Virtanen line in the playoffs.

 

[lawrence]

Just imagine. Tkachuk Horvat Virtanen line in the playoffs.

with Tkachuk means no Pettersson. Can't win em all.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

with Tkachuk means no Pettersson. Can't win em all.

Again I’ve gone over this. You’re basing this on that Willie Dumbass would have played him in his first year line Calgary did. Also basing it on the fact that you’d expect him to produce with the horrid Canucks team of that year at a similar rate. So you’d be wrong. As we all know Willie wouldn’t have had him in the lineup, let alone played him in a position to succeed and have him produce similarly. In reality Tkachuk would have been in junior, Canucks probably finish 30th and pick even higher

 

[PM]

with Tkachuk means no Pettersson. Can't win em all.

Can you show your math on that one?

 

[timw33]

with Tkachuk means no Pettersson. Can't win em all.

Absolute horse****. Can you tell me how we've vastly worsened our draft position by inserting a 90-pace point rookie into our lineup and having a goalie play absolutely out of his mind? We're exactly where we've been in years pasts with rosters chock full of even more trash players.

As mentioned above, it makes some huge assumptions about Tkachuk making the team as an 18-year old with Desjardins as a coach (where we saw how McCann/Virtanen fared as 18 year olds), then producing the same on a worse team than Calgary, and those 45ish points materially changing the outcomes of enough games to move us into 8th or later .

 

[EpochLink]

See how this ***** does next year.
If this ***** shows some flashes on being a good one, I’ll call him a real one.

 

[DFAC]

On the way to Bustville

 

[DFAC]

Absolute horse****. Can you tell me how we've vastly worsened our draft position by inserting a 90-pace point rookie into our lineup and having a goalie play absolutely out of his mind? We're exactly where we've been in years pasts with rosters chock full of even more trash players.

As mentioned above, it makes some huge assumptions about Tkachuk making the team as an 18-year old with Desjardins as a coach (where we saw how McCann/Virtanen fared as 18 year olds), then producing the same on a worse team than Calgary, and those 45ish points materially changing the outcomes of enough games to move us into 8th or later .

I mean EP40 has single handedly won us games this year... hard to believe that Tkachuk wouldnt have a similar effect

 

[lawrence]

Can you show your math on that one?

Why didn’t you ask the guy for that math for thinking he will help us today then.? He literally said “imagine horvat virtanen tkakchuk line.

 

[lawrence]

Again I’ve gone over this. You’re basing this on that Willie Dumbass would have played him in his first year line Calgary did. Also basing it on the fact that you’d expect him to produce with the horrid Canucks team of that year at a similar rate. So you’d be wrong. As we all know Willie wouldn’t have had him in the lineup, let alone played him in a position to succeed and have him produce similarly. In reality Tkachuk would have been in junior, Canucks probably finish 30th and pick even higher

what basis are you going by that we will be a better team today let alone, something as daring as saying a playoff team ?
show me the math that green would have had him on the line up today.

 

[lawrence]

Absolute horse****. Can you tell me how we've vastly worsened our draft position by inserting a 90-pace point rookie into our lineup and having a goalie play absolutely out of his mind? We're exactly where we've been in years pasts with rosters chock full of even more trash players.

As mentioned above, it makes some huge assumptions about Tkachuk making the team as an 18-year old with Desjardins as a coach (where we saw how McCann/Virtanen fared as 18 year olds), then producing the same on a worse team than Calgary, and those 45ish points materially changing the outcomes of enough games to move us into 8th or later .

Your Defence is that it’s an assumption that he would have made the team ? I think at this point it’s a funnier asumption to even think he wouldn’t have made the crappy Canucks in 2017

Ridiculous. Sure bash benning, I won’t defend him much anymore, but that’s absolute horse crap you guys have such piss poor analysts skills. Tkachuk would have made us a good enough team not to draft in the top 5.

 

[MS]

Your Defence is that it’s an assumption that he would have made the team ? I think at this point it’s a funnier asumption to even think he wouldn’t have made the crappy Canucks in 2017

Ridiculous. Sure bash benning, I won’t defend him much anymore, but that’s absolute horse crap you guys have such piss poor analysts skills. Tkachuk would have made us a good enough team not to draft in the top 5.

Do you think the Cam Neely trade was a great move because keeping Neely (and Glen Wesley) would have made us win too many games to draft Trevor Linden?

 

[bossram]

I mean EP40 has single handedly won us games this year... hard to believe that Tkachuk wouldnt have a similar effect

He has. And we're still in...7th last place.

Tkachuk's rookie season was not as impactful as Petterson's current season. And given our lineup, he probably wouldn't have put up the ~45 points he did in Calgary. We don't have elite possession drivers like the other 2/3rds of the 3M line.

If Petey couldn't drag us out from the bottom tier (in a year where the West is uniquely terrible), I don't think a lower-scoring Tkachuk would be able to in a generally harder climate.

This entire argument is bad logic too. What's the argument here? That we shouldn't take the best player available at the time because we *could* get a better one next year if we still suck? Like what?

 

[sting101]

Do you think the Cam Neely trade was a great move because keeping Neely (and Glen Wesley) would have made us win too many games to draft Trevor Linden?

Imagine having some patience and brains keeping Neely. Drafting Sakic (Wesley) 1987 and even if we had moved back in 1988 still having the choice of Brind"Amour Roenick or Selanne...............hmnnnn

 

[Hit the post]

Imagine having some patience and brains keeping Neely. Drafting Sakic (Wesley) 1987 and even if we had moved back in 1988 still having the choice of Brind"Amour Roenick or Selanne...............hmnnnn

We probably would’ve just drafted Leif Rohlin in the first round.

 

[lawrence]

Do you think the Cam Neely trade was a great move because keeping Neely (and Glen Wesley) would have made us win too many games to draft Trevor Linden?

What does the cam neely trade have to do with 2016 draft ?

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Thought I'd check out the Juolevi thread to see if anything new had come up and found out, much to my surprise, we could have drafted Mathew Tkachuk instead of him.

Oh. My. God. Have the authorities been alerted?!?!?

 

[lawrence]

Thought I'd check out the Juolevi thread to see if anything new had come up and found out, much to my surprise, we could have drafted Mathew Tkachuk instead of him.

Oh. My. God. Have the authorities been alerted?!?!?

These guys are smart enough to believe we will somehow be a playoff team today with tkachuk in the line up today, but thinks we will just be as bad with him in the line up in 2017. Canucks fans on the sub forums on hfboArds.com. The smartest and brightest.

Double f*** ing standard as usual.

 

[MS]

What does the cam neely trade have to do with 2016 draft ?

Uhhh ...

You can’t see how defending the horrible Juolevi selection because Tkachuk would have cost us Pettersson is exactly the same as defending the horribly Neely trade because keeping Neely would have cost us Linden?

Was Pettersson a bad selection because he’s likely going to cost us Hughes and Lafreniere?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

He has. And we're still in...7th last place.

Tkachuk's rookie season was not as impactful as Petterson's current season. And given our lineup, he probably wouldn't have put up the ~45 points he did in Calgary. We don't have elite possession drivers like the other 2/3rds of the 3M line.

If Petey couldn't drag us out from the bottom tier (in a year where the West is uniquely terrible), I don't think a lower-scoring Tkachuk would be able to in a generally harder climate.

This entire argument is bad logic too. What's the argument here? That we shouldn't take the best player available at the time because we *could* get a better one next year if we still suck? Like what?

This! Especially the last part.