Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Mikko Koskinen

[McVirginOil]

“Hahaha wow is Chiarelli such a piss poor negotiator.” He said for the bajillionth time.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Koskinen's is too high but it's also not an entry level contract, which I believe is what Francouz has signed. Another account on Twitter is saying Francouz got a little more than the $690K Dater reported. There is probably some performance bonus money included.

I didn't know you could sign an ELC at 27

 

[McVirginOil]

ELCs are only for 25 and younger players, Francouz contract isn’t an ELC, just one where the GM actually negotiated well.

 

[Del Preston]

ELCs are only for 25 and younger players

Michal Kempny was 26 when he signed an ELC with Chicago. Jan Rutta was 27.

 

[soothsayer]

Quo usque tandem abutere, Chiarelli, patientia nostra?

 

[McVirginOil]

Not true.

Michal Kempny was 26 when he signed an ELC with Chicago. Jan Rutta was 27.

You’re right, the age is lifted for European players for some reason to 27.

 

[nabob]

You’re right, the age is lifted for European players for some reason to 27.

Soooo are we still claiming that other GM is a superior negotiator because of this signing?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Soooo are we still claiming that other GM is a superior negotiator because of this signing?

The other GM is a superior negotiator, but not because of this signing of Francouz is in fact on an ELC.

 

[Del Preston]

CapFriendly has added the contract based on Dater's tweet, so it's listed as unconfirmed for now. But if the deal is one-way like Dater reported then that would mean it is a standard contract, right? There aren't any one-way ELCs as far as I know.

Francouz will be 28 when the contract becomes official on July 1, maybe he's ineligible for an ELC? I have no clue how any of this works.

 

[McVirginOil]

Soooo are we still claiming that other GM is a superior negotiator because of this signing?

Yes because 2.5 for an unproven backup is still too high.

 

[McVirginOil]

CapFriendly has added the contract based on Dater's tweet, so it's listed as unconfirmed for now. But if the deal is one-way like Dater reported then that would mean it is a standard contract, right? There aren't any one-way ELCs as far as I know.

Francouz will be 28 when the contract becomes official on July 1, maybe he's ineligible for an ELC? I have no clue how any of this works.

“Any player of the age of 24 or younger as of September 15th in the year that he signs his contract is subject to the terms of an Entry Level contract. For Europeans, the age is lifted up to 27.”

Francouz will be 28 as of September 15th so
I’m still right that this is likely not an ELC And Sakic is beyond a better negotiator than Chia. unless I’m missing something here. @nabob

 

[nabob]

The other GM is a superior negotiator, but not because of this signing of Francouz is in fact on an ELC.

But other posters were in fact using that signing as a reason why, which proves you wrong.

 

[nabob]

Yes because 2.5 for an unproven backup is still too high.

But $2.5M for a backup proven to only be a backup would have been ok.

 

[McVirginOil]

But other posters were in fact using that signing as a reason why, which proves you wrong.

Well he’s not wrong because the Francouz contract is not an ELC.

 

[nabob]

“Any player of the age of 24 or younger as of September 15th in the year that he signs his contract is subject to the terms of an Entry Level contract. For Europeans, the age is lifted up to 27.”

Francouz will be 28 as of September 15th so
I’m still right that this is likely not an ELC And Sakic is beyond a better negotiator than Chia. unless I’m missing something here. @nabob

You're missing the fact that he is 27...

 

[nabob]

Well he’s not wrong because the Francouz contract is not an ELC.

Yes it is. He is 27, it has to be an ELC. You can quote your earlier post for the reasoning.

 

[McVirginOil]

You're missing the fact that he is 27...

Reread my post and then quote me because your point is invalid and you didn’t read right.

 

[McDNicks17]

Colorado signed Francouz who is easily the better goalie. Wonder what his salary for the year will be?

Have you watched a single second of Francouz playing hockey?

 

[McVirginOil]

Have you watched a single second of Francouz playing hockey?

You don’t have to watch to know that .946 sv% in 37 games is better than .937 sv% in 31 (amongst many other stats).

 

[McDNicks17]

You don’t have to watch to know that .946 sv% in 37 games is better than .937 sv% in 31 (amongst many other stats).

Cherry picking a stat and ignoring all context is just about the worst way to make a case for anything.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You don’t have to watch to know that .946 sv% in 37 games is better than .937 sv% in 31 (amongst many other stats).

I guess Brossoits .928 with a 1.99 proves he was a better goalie than Talbot 2 seasons ago.

 

[McVirginOil]

I guess Brossoits .928 with a 1.99 proves he was a better goalie than Talbot 2 seasons ago.

I mean I put games played for a reason.

 

[McVirginOil]

Cherry picking a stat and ignoring all context is just about the worst way to make a case for anything.

I mean I can go in depth to why Francouz has been better than Koskinen recently.

 

[McDNicks17]

I mean I can go in depth to why Francouz has been better than Koskinen recently.

I'm guessing your definition of "in depth" is going to be pretty generous.

 

[PerformanceMcOil]

You don’t have to watch to know that .946 sv% in 37 games is better than .937 sv% in 31 (amongst many other stats).

Very few NHL goalies are 6' or less tall, especially at the top end. Francouz may be more talented (although I don't know how you can determine that based on such a small spread in save percentage), but size is pretty important for goalies in the NHL these days.

The reality is, neither goalie is likely to succeed, but that doesn't mean either is a bad bet to make. As for the money, it's impossible to say what Koskinen would accept, so I don't know how Chia's negotiation skills can be evaluated in this signing. The only real evaluation should be whether there is a reasonable chance that Koskinen can turn into something.