Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread 2 - Expansion Boogaloo

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I get that other things may not have gone how he's wanted, but he will have to do better than that, or we'll almost certainly miss the playoffs in this division again.
 

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"Significant increase"

He had 30 points last year and is a good face off man. It's about the doing rate for a 3C. I'm not saying it's "good", but if other plans fell through...

As Francis has said he's not going to sign long term big money deals to avoid situations with our upcoming RFAs. He may have to pay more today to hit the floor on one year contracts

Riley Nash was a pretty similar profile player. We overpaid him once at $1.1 million before the league priced him at $900k for 2 years in Boston. If we pay anything in excess of $1 to $1.25 million it's a turd of a contract. He produced 12 of those 29 points on the powerplay as well.
 

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Meanwhile Colombus is supposedly all in on Kovalchuk, even after they just added Panarin to the mix. I also got a sneaky feeling Radulov is going to end up signing with a team in the Metro.
 

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That's a "I gave up trying to find better players" statement if there ever was one. Boosting a tweener's 1-year contract just to meet the cap floor :shakehead

At least wait till August or something, when it's good and clear that there are no other cards on the table.
 

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we like our group after all again.

so, we expect "help" from roy, gauthier, wallmark, zykov and saarela? wow.
 

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Toronto fan here, came sniffing for teams that would be interested in JVR. Brett Pesce seems like an ideal pickup for the Leafs, do Carolina fans think there is any chance of a deal involving those two players or am I high?
 

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Toronto fan here, came sniffing for teams that would be interested in JVR. Brett Pesce seems like an ideal pickup for the Leafs, do Carolina fans think there is any chance of a deal involving those two players or am I high?
Not a chance. One year of JVR is not gonna get u Pesce.
 

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Toronto fan here, came sniffing for teams that would be interested in JVR. Brett Pesce seems like an ideal pickup for the Leafs, do Carolina fans think there is any chance of a deal involving those two players or am I high?

Nope, we'd love JVR but it's going to be via futures. The two teams aren't the greatest trading partners right now with the Leafs trying to establish themselves and the Canes about 1 year behind in trying to get over the hump.
 

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Not a chance. One year of JVR is not gonna get u Pesce.

JVR with a significant extension, however, which can happen after July 1, could. And I really hope that Francis is looking at trades around JVR with an extention. I don't know how easily that's going to get one of our top 4- that's not gonna be easy- but Fleury and Bean are high value prospects who would absolutely be in play.
 

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If they are counting on Derek ryan to be anything other than a fourth liner/pp specialist I will barf. They should have changed our jerseys to plain white flags if that is the case
 

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JVR with a significant extension, however, which can happen after July 1, could. And I really hope that Francis is looking at trades based around that option.

Even then, I don't expect Francis to consider moving Pesce for even one second as it puts TVR on the 2nd-pair. That would be bad.
 

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Even then, I don't expect Francis to consider moving Pesce for even one second as it puts TVR on the 2nd-pair. That would be bad.

Yeah, the right side depth would be an issue. But as a question of straight value, that's not an absurd starting point.
 

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Damn, one mention of Ryan re-signed and ya'll are all getting off the bus and jumping off the cliff.

A "significant" raise for him would be 1.25 million. Prorate his numbers from last year to a full season and he's roughly a 35 point player. That's more than fair, in fact that's a bargain. Unless RF goes and signs him for 3 million or something ridiculous, all this means is we only have 8 forwards under contract for the season and that Ryan is seen as being worthy of one of the 4/5 remaining spots. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.
 

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I'd love to be wrong and see Ryan progress and improve on last year's numbers I just really don't think it's likely. I don't think having him around is a bad move in a vacuum but like I said, a minimal role with favorable ice time is all I would trust him with. Again I would love to be wrong... he's got a great story and seems like a great guy.
 

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I'd love to be wrong and see Ryan progress and improve on last year's numbers I just really don't think it's likely. I don't think having him around is a bad move in a vacuum but like I said, a minimal role with favorable ice time is all I would trust him with. Again I would love to be wrong... he's got a great story and seems like a great guy.

That's the problem in my estimation. He was overslotted last year due to lack of forward depth and we're on the precipice of making the same mistake again. As I mentioned, his results last year were skewed heavily towards PP production and his shooting percentage was 15.7%, which is somewhat dangerous as it relates to projection moving forward. Having Ryan on the team isn't what is discouraging about this potential signing, but rather the fact that they're talking about a significant raise and if that's the case, there's likely a significant role implied by that action.
 

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Ryan had some really nice stretches of good hockey.
Was he overslotted in our lineup? Maybe.
Will he be this year? Who knows.
But he's very smart and a good dude. He's not hurting us.

This is not Jay McClement we're talking about here.
 

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Yeah, the right side depth would be an issue. But as a question of straight value, that's not an absurd starting point.

I'd be willing to use a 1st for such a move, but none of the top 4 D. If that's the cost of jvr then Francis should go searching for a cheaper option.
 

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That's a "I gave up trying to find better players" statement if there ever was one. Boosting a tweener's 1-year contract just to meet the cap floor :shakehead

At least wait till August or something, when it's good and clear that there are no other cards on the table.

He may not have gone unsigned until August. The UFA center market is terrible this year. Assuming Thornton re-signs in SJ, Fisher re-signs in Nashville and Cullen retires (or re-signs in Pittsburgh), Ryan would then be the 4th highest scoring center available, trailing Gagner, Hanzal and Bonino.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2018/points/all/center/ufa
 

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He was overslotted last year due to lack of forward depth and we're on the precipice of making the same mistake again.

You're assuming this scenario is a "mistake" instead of it maybe just being plain old inescapable reality.
 

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It's not just UFA centers, UFA forwards of any sort frigin blow this year. It actually would have been a good year to try to bring someone over from the KHL ranks if possible but that would be way too expensive for this team.
 

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It's not just UFA centers, UFA forwards of any sort frigin blow this year. It actually would have been a good year to try to bring someone over from the KHL ranks if possible but that would be way too expensive for this team.

I am interested to know if management has any interest in bringing Dadonov back. Sounds like a high probability he's NHL bound this off season.

Could be a good top 6 forward tho tons of question marks obviously.
 
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