You see balls 10 yards over a receivers head and out of bounds called PI. There's no consistency in the call. If that game was at Gillette they don't pick up the flag, that's the problem with this league.
Official 2013 Patriots/NFL Thread-Part VI
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Donnie Shulzhoffer
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The only reason you could say it was not catchable is because he was interfered with. The whole argument negates itself.
Therick67
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As EverettMike said, what if that ball was deflected? I can't recall ever seeing a ball like that ruled uncatchable..
Minny Shinny
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One of the biggest reasons I don't watch the NBA anymore is the level to which officiating is involved directly in the outcome of games. Yes, all sports have officiating involved and all have seen historically bad calls happen, but the NFL over the last couple years has simply had significant mistakes happen on one single play/instance that directly impacted the outcome of a game. It's one thing if you say officiating calls favor one team over the other or that there's too much or too few calls happening in a game.....that's not my argument.
The fact that it happens at key moments....game-altering moments....and that the review system seems inadequate in handling it....ultimately impacts the quality of the product on the field. That's approaching NBA-officials level of stain on the product....and I say this again as a fan of another team that's largely neutral toward last night's outcome.
I know that The Shield is untouchable and that's too bad. What happened last night, both on the field and the response, was either ignorance or arrogance (likely both) on behalf of that officiating crew. What the NFL chooses to do about it will indicate which category the league wants to put itself in.
Too bad. A closely-contested game between two real contenders, and that call is what everyone's gonna remember.
The fact that it happens at key moments....game-altering moments....and that the review system seems inadequate in handling it....ultimately impacts the quality of the product on the field. That's approaching NBA-officials level of stain on the product....and I say this again as a fan of another team that's largely neutral toward last night's outcome.
I know that The Shield is untouchable and that's too bad. What happened last night, both on the field and the response, was either ignorance or arrogance (likely both) on behalf of that officiating crew. What the NFL chooses to do about it will indicate which category the league wants to put itself in.
Too bad. A closely-contested game between two real contenders, and that call is what everyone's gonna remember.
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
Look, I don't believe in league conspiracies, just incompetence.
My only question is whether or not the NFL will announce the flag should not have been picked up. And, if they do, will they do it like when Belichick said the Jets did the same thing on a field goal earlier in the game, you know, wait seven days and announce it five minutes before the next Sunday of games.
My only question is whether or not the NFL will announce the flag should not have been picked up. And, if they do, will they do it like when Belichick said the Jets did the same thing on a field goal earlier in the game, you know, wait seven days and announce it five minutes before the next Sunday of games.
KrejciMVP
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the NFL is as corrupt as they come. The Pats would have 3 more superbowls if the refs favored us like they do that gomer Manning!!!! Makes me angry!!
LSCII
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Or if you know, their defense was capable of making a stop in the last 5 minutes of a game. Either or though. Your choice...
KesselBuiltMyHotrod
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Just look where Gronk plants. It is literally no more than a yard from where the ball is caught. But he is immediately run off the spot.
Yes, it would have been difficult for him to make a catch with the other defender jumping the route. Even unlikely.
But uncatchable? No ****ing way.
Yes, it would have been difficult for him to make a catch with the other defender jumping the route. Even unlikely.
But uncatchable? No ****ing way.
BklyNBruiN
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Glove Malfunction
Ference is my binky
That explanation, in essence, was a load of crap.
Even worse for me than the picking up of the flag, is their ability to justify to themselves that they think they actually got it right! Is it any wonder the officiating is such a crapshoot these days? I haven't seen anything official from the league - have they also justified them picking up the flag?
Glove Malfunction
Ference is my binky
Edit - I saw where you stepped back from your opinion on this first post, and I didn't need to come off sounding like a richard.
Lonnie is still completely wrong though.
Artemis
Took the red pill
Glove Malfunction
Ference is my binky
Or if you know, their defense was capable of making a stop in the last 5 minutes of a game. Either or though. Your choice...
While I do agree with your assessment about the defense needing to make stops (or Welker catching a ball he has both hands on), there is credence to the feeling that Manning gets calls that no one else does. Remember what kept alive the final drive against the Pats the year the Colts won the SB? A personal foul for some minor contact to Manning's head while he was releasing a 4th down pass. Do you remember the next year, when the Pats lost to the Giants in the SB? The giants hit Brady in the head more often and more violently than what kept the Pats out of the SB the previous year. So, yeah, I do think there's basis for feeling like sometimes the Pats are on the short end of the officiating on a lot of occasions, including some really big ones.
KrejciMVP
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Its the NFL making up for Manning's failure as a post season QB. There are many Pat/Brady haters out there and 100% that goes into officiating Pats games. I believe much of this comes from those rats in the NY head office.
LSCII
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What I've learned over the years from being a boxing fan is that you never ever want to leave the decision in the hands of the officials. As soon as you do that, you never know how the outcome will be. The Pats certainly had their chances and didn't come up big when needed. Obviously the league has it's rules and then the rules for superstars. Brady has been the beneficiary of many calls in his favor just because of who he is. Manning obviously gets more than his fair share of calls based on who he is as well. If you asked an impartial observer, they'd be saying the same things you said about Manning for Brady. It's why I don't typically get worked up about it when a call goes against them. It sucks, but it happens.
KrejciMVP
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A couple things here...
1. I've had no problem criticizing this team when they've deserved it--including Belichick. Specifically, the inability of the "genius" to put together a defense the last few years. To his credit, I think he put together a pretty good defense this year. Even without Wilfork and Mayo, the run defense last night was excellent last night against a team that likes to run the ball. In the end, they only allowed 209 passing yards. That's pretty good as well.
2. The offense was very encouraging last night, especially the offensive line. Ran much better than I expected and Brady had a pretty good night. Sacked twice against that defense in their building? That's not bad.
3. The common theme with a lot of their losses in recent years showed up again last night. While I want to ultimately say the defense let them down yet again on that final drive, there's more to it. The bad penalties, the Ridley fumble, the missed opportunity on the 3rd and 1 where we had to settle for a FG, the terrible 3rd down defense...Carolina was 8 for 11! Unacceptable! All the way around, there were plenty of things that happened that impacted the outcome of the game.
4. Speaking of that final touchdown, the thing that's not getting nearly enough attention as it should right now is Talib. If I heard Tirico correctly, Talib was NOT on the field for that touchdown. Is he hurt again? Because this team isn't winning anything without a healthy Talib. Sure, he gave up one long one to Smith, but all the great ones get beat from time to time. Smith for the game only had four grabs for 62 yards, most of which came on one long play. To me, Talib did a very good job in his first game back.
5. The last play of the game was absolutely a penalty. I don't care what penalty it was, just that it was a penalty. There is no debate on that. I mentioned before, that I saw a clear photo of the interference starting where Brady ended up throwing the ball to. It did NOT start where ESPN first showed the contact being made a few yards deeper in the end zone. It happened before that. It was a penalty. While this did not directly cost the Patriots a win, it absolutely cost them a chance at winning the game--a chance they deserved.
1. I've had no problem criticizing this team when they've deserved it--including Belichick. Specifically, the inability of the "genius" to put together a defense the last few years. To his credit, I think he put together a pretty good defense this year. Even without Wilfork and Mayo, the run defense last night was excellent last night against a team that likes to run the ball. In the end, they only allowed 209 passing yards. That's pretty good as well.
2. The offense was very encouraging last night, especially the offensive line. Ran much better than I expected and Brady had a pretty good night. Sacked twice against that defense in their building? That's not bad.
3. The common theme with a lot of their losses in recent years showed up again last night. While I want to ultimately say the defense let them down yet again on that final drive, there's more to it. The bad penalties, the Ridley fumble, the missed opportunity on the 3rd and 1 where we had to settle for a FG, the terrible 3rd down defense...Carolina was 8 for 11! Unacceptable! All the way around, there were plenty of things that happened that impacted the outcome of the game.
4. Speaking of that final touchdown, the thing that's not getting nearly enough attention as it should right now is Talib. If I heard Tirico correctly, Talib was NOT on the field for that touchdown. Is he hurt again? Because this team isn't winning anything without a healthy Talib. Sure, he gave up one long one to Smith, but all the great ones get beat from time to time. Smith for the game only had four grabs for 62 yards, most of which came on one long play. To me, Talib did a very good job in his first game back.
5. The last play of the game was absolutely a penalty. I don't care what penalty it was, just that it was a penalty. There is no debate on that. I mentioned before, that I saw a clear photo of the interference starting where Brady ended up throwing the ball to. It did NOT start where ESPN first showed the contact being made a few yards deeper in the end zone. It happened before that. It was a penalty. While this did not directly cost the Patriots a win, it absolutely cost them a chance at winning the game--a chance they deserved.
LSCII
Cup driven
You're right. It's so much better to whine about conspiracy theories and nefarious powers that secretly want Peyton Manning to win every game he plays...
I DVR'd PTI and ATH just to hear opinions about the call. IDK why I did this.
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KrejciMVP
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You're right. It's so much better to whine about conspiracy theories and nefarious powers that secretly want Peyton Manning to win every game he plays...
its not just Peyton. The league fixed it for the Steelers until big ben was accused of ****. Also the Jets and NY Media will sell their childrens souls just to hurt the pats. Only the NFL and NBA I think this goes on. However we all know how the refs are in the city where I live. Anyway Pats are 9-1 if the league officiated the proper way.
LSCII
Cup driven
If they fixed it so frequently and are open to doing so, why has their poster boy, Peyton Manning, only won it once? He's got a losing record in the playoffs and is 1-1 in the Super Bowl. If they really wanted him to win it so badly, wouldn't they have conspired to give him more than a 9-11 record for his career during the playoffs?
KrejciMVP
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yeah definitely is, but that superbowl against the Seahawks is just an example of how corrupt the NFL is. The Cardinals win was iffy too.
KrejciMVP
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Peyton is so bad in the playoffs, even the refs have a hard time saving him, they do try though lol. Anyway its overreaction Tuesday, this call and the Jets game outcome has struck a nerve today.
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