Kovi
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I love that story so much. Poor little noodles.Much better than being with that iguana's cousins in Florida:
Florida is so cold freezing iguanas are falling out of trees, officials warn
I love that story so much. Poor little noodles.Much better than being with that iguana's cousins in Florida:
Florida is so cold freezing iguanas are falling out of trees, officials warn
It's Perfectly Legal For Your Boss to Tell You to Drive a Nicer Car
Suzanne Lucas runs the Evil HR Lady blog.
Tl;dr - "So, while requiring a nice car is legal, using it as a proxy for financial health is sketchy, and the whole thing is just dumb. If it's important to your company that everyone drives new cars, provide them."
One of the most valuable things I learned early on in my career is that it's not illegal to be an *******, as long as you're an ******* to everyone and not an extra big ******* to specific groups of people. It's also not illegal to be a requiring manager, which is a popular sentiment.
It sounds like something my company powers that be would do.I am bothered by this car thing as it just opens a wormhole.
A person could forego buying a new car because the their current one is reliable and they want to either pay off a student loan or bank more for a downpayment on a house or whatever.
Hypothetically - Should HR be concerned if someone is living in a nice suburb, nice car and somehow has a summer place?
That's not a steak, that's a roastArgentinian steak - always ask the locals
Argentinian steak - always ask the locals
I am bothered by this car thing as it just opens a wormhole.
A person could forego buying a new car because the their current one is reliable and they want to either pay off a student loan or bank more for a downpayment on a house or whatever.
Hypothetically - Should HR be concerned if someone is living in a nice suburb, nice car and somehow has a summer place?
all fingers and toes crossed for you, know the feeling too well, our Beagle got out Christmas night, 4 hours of worry, fear and anger all combined but she was finally scooped up by a neighbor about 3 miles from home. Try and stay positive, thoughts with youMy cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.
hope you find him!My cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.
My cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.
I think most of us without an HR background are having a really, REALLY tough time seeing literally any legitimacy in this. Which is why I asked for the HR perspective. Even having heard your responses, I'm not sure it would be legitimate in any possible way, unless the employee's personal car is to be used for client transport or interaction, which according to the tweet, it wasn't - it was literally the car s/he drove to work and parked in the garage.Again, at surface level, it's awful and I completely agree with you.
Given we do not know anything about the company or what the role is, it's really hard to make an accurate assessment of the situation.
At worst, it's an awful thing and an awful company.
At best, it may be legitimate but executed incredibly poorly.
I think most of us without an HR background are having a really, REALLY tough time seeing literally any legitimacy in this. Which is why I asked for the HR perspective. Even having heard your responses, I'm not sure it would be legitimate in any possible way, unless the employee's personal car is to be used for client transport or interaction, which according to the tweet, it wasn't - it was literally the car s/he drove to work and parked in the garage.
The message in the email was "you make enough money to but a new car, we expect you to buy a new car", which I find incredibly difficult to see any possible way that as appropriate.
If my smart TV was really smart, it would be able to rewind to the part of the show where I fell asleep.
My cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.
I think most of us without an HR background are having a really, REALLY tough time seeing literally any legitimacy in this. Which is why I asked for the HR perspective. Even having heard your responses, I'm not sure it would be legitimate in any possible way, unless the employee's personal car is to be used for client transport or interaction, which according to the tweet, it wasn't - it was literally the car s/he drove to work and parked in the garage.
The message in the email was "you make enough money to but a new car, we expect you to buy a new car", which I find incredibly difficult to see any possible way that as appropriate.
You're right, I don't have the training to know all the different possibilities, but I still don't see any where this should be acceptable, so I guess a better follow up would be - in what scenarios could this be a legitimate request? I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm genuinely curious.There are ways it could be legitimate and executed poorly. We don't know who sent the tweet or what their relation is to the person that supposedly received the email. We don't know if the email has been doctored at all. We don't know if it's actually a disgruntled ex-employee trying to stir up trouble (although with the name of the company redacted, it's doubtful).
And I'm telling you, as someone with an HR background, there are often more pieces to the story than exist at surface. I don't expect your professional training to make you think like I do, but I've been asked and explained why I think there may be scenarios that it's not as terrible and horrible as it's presented as. Is it likely terrible and horrible? Sure. Is it 100% certain it is? No - it could very well be legitimate and, as I stated, executed incredibly poorly.
You're right, I don't have the training to know all the different possibilities, but I still don't see any where this should be acceptable, so I guess a better follow up would be - in what scenarios could this be a legitimate request? I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm genuinely curious.
Thanks for the case, Kate. I can now see certain situations where this might be a possible issue. I know I'm making inferences based on what was shared with the twitter picture, but this doesn't seem to fall into one of those. But, based on your hypothetical HR person's thought process, I can see how someone might think this an "innocuous" way of opening a discussion about the employee's financial situation. Wrong-headed, but I can see how someone might think it a way to open the door.In case you were wondering...
Tammy had developed a gambling problem. She had a bookie she needed to pay, and to help, she started selling off all of her fancy clothes, shoes and bags, and eventually her car. All of her personal appearance stipend went to the bookie, but it wasn't enough. She also was skimming some money from one of her client's accounts as she went around doing errands for him. When she was confronted, she was furious and decided to go public with the email she received asking about the state of her car and if she was having financial issues. Without the backstory, it seems like a completely ridiculous invasion of privacy from an employer - maybe she'd go viral, and someone would set up one of those GoFundMe's like they just did for Target Tori!
Good luck Mission! Have you posted on your local Facebook missing pets/community groups?My cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.
Here's to hoping for a safe return of your kitty, sooner rather than later!My cat got out Sunday night and we still have not found him. So depressed, he was with us for 14 years. He slipped out when my dog went outside, we did not realize he was gone til the next morning. We are all heart broken here.