Speculation: Off-Season Roster Building/Line Combos Thread

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Criminy ****, some of you guys are unbearably negative. I'd say it's just about impossible for either Darling or Mrazek, let alone both, to be as bad as they were last year. It's not like we need them to be good, or league-average...they just need to be mediocre instead of bad.

It's fine with me if everybody around the NHL wants to underestimate our goaltending going into next season. It makes them easier to catch off-guard and beat.
I see no reason to be optimistic about their performances given last year. That said, I'll cheer them both loudly if they prove me wrong. I hope they and management prove me to be the dunce.
 

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Criminy ****, some of you guys are unbearably negative. I'd say it's just about impossible for either Darling or Mrazek, let alone both, to be as bad as they were last year. It's not like we need them to be good, or league-average...they just need to be mediocre instead of bad.

It's fine with me if everybody around the NHL wants to underestimate our goaltending going into next season. It makes them easier to catch off-guard and beat.
I'm confused...it sounds like you're talking about our goalies :sarcasm:
 

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Criminy ****, some of you guys are unbearably negative. I'd say it's just about impossible for either Darling or Mrazek, let alone both, to be as bad as they were last year. It's not like we need them to be good, or league-average...they just need to be mediocre instead of bad.

It's fine with me if everybody around the NHL wants to underestimate our goaltending going into next season. It makes them easier to catch off-guard and beat.
You just have to get used to it at this point. We have a lot of people around here that are being miserable pessimists probably because they seem to think that it will somehow make them feel less bad if we do poorly. I prefer to choose optimism, especially before a season starts, because otherwise, what's the point?
 

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Criminy ****, some of you guys are unbearably negative. I'd say it's just about impossible for either Darling or Mrazek, let alone both, to be as bad as they were last year. It's not like we need them to be good, or league-average...they just need to be mediocre instead of bad.

It's fine with me if everybody around the NHL wants to underestimate our goaltending going into next season. It makes them easier to catch off-guard and beat.

I think they will be better than last year, but how much better.

If the offense doesn’t improve the goalies need to be FORTY goals better than those two performed last year just to have an even goal differential.

That would be a team SV% of .910 which is still below average.
 

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We have a lot of people around here that are being miserable pessimists probably because they seem to think that it will somehow make them feel less bad if we do poorly.

That’s really not what it’s about.

It’s about hard realities like this:

I think they will be better than last year, but how much better.

If the offense doesn’t improve the goalies need to be FORTY goals better than those two performed last year just to have an even goal differential.

That would be a team SV% of .910 which is still below average.

This is where you realize just how bad this organization ****ed up over the past few years. We are banking on rookies and horrible goalies to carry us up the ladder to being mediocre instead of bad. It’s not a good situation. People saying it’s not a good situation aren’t being pessimists or trying to protect their own egos, they’re just calling it what it is.
 

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That's how you look at it, and that's fine. But when some people, like say the person that he was commenting to, are predicting a guy like Svechnikov will bust for no reason, no hard reality, then I don't buy it. I see that as exactly as I described it. And there have been plenty of things that are being **** on in similar fashion that aren't such hard realities. So, yes, that take on the goalies may be a hard reality, but I'm going on a whole body of pessimistic posts, and not just that one. There are quite a few that are pessimistic about pretty much anything and everything at this point.
 
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That's how you look at it, and that's fine. But when some people, like say the person that he was commenting to, are predicting a guy like Svechnikov will bust for no reason, no hard reality, then I don't buy it. I see that as exactly as I described it. And there have been plenty of things that are being **** on in similar fashion that aren't such hard realities. So, yes, that take on the goalies may be a hard reality, but I'm going on a whole body of pessimistic posts, and not just that one. There are quite a few that are pessimistic about pretty much anything and everything at this point.

He wasn’t saying Svechnikov would bust, he was saying the goalies would probably continue to play badly.
 
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He wasn’t saying Svechnikov would bust, he was saying the goalies would probably continue to play badly.
Again, I'm not taking only that post, but another post he made. I'm saying some posters are choosing to be pessimistic about even things that there is no reason to be pessimistic about.
 
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This is why we can't have nice things....

For me, the issue with Svechnikov isn't points, it's goals. If he pots 20, then I'll view that as adequate. If he pots 25 I'll feel pretty good. If he nets 30+, I'll likely pass out from all the parade planning I will have done.

Now Necas is the exact opposite for me. My feeling is he should be measured by points (as I suspect his skills as a passer are what's going to make him special). If he puts up 30 points, he'll be adequate. 35-40 points is a solid season. Over 40 points and most of his assists probably ended up as Svech-goals.

Yes I tend to be more optimistic, but I'm tempering my enthusiasm as depending on rookies for significant production is a dangerous recipe. However, with the rebuilt defense and the addition of Mrazek (whom I view as a capable back up), I'm not sure that pessimism is warranted either. Plus, I'm almost unrealistically positive that another move is in the works.
 

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For me, the issue with Svechnikov isn't points, it's goals. If he pots 20, then I'll view that as adequate. If he pots 25 I'll feel pretty good. If he nets 30+, I'll likely pass out from all the parade planning I will have done.
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I’m not remotely saying Svech will bust. Just saying for his first year I’m not putting numbers I need to see to be satisfied.

That’s totally different than saying he’s a bust. I don’t think he’ll bust at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zadina outsnipes him but I think Svech should be the better all around forward.
 

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maybe the goaltending won’t have to be as improved as some think. To be out of the bottom 10, the goalies only have to make something like 25 more saves than last year (I did the math a few weeks ago so I may be wrong on the 25, but I think it’s close.)

With an improved defensive group, a new coach, and a team that works harder and is harder to play against, it may not take THAT much improvement from the goalies. Granted, this is all just on paper right now and the goalies can’t let shots in from center ice, but there is some potential for the team to be more goaltending friendly.
 
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maybe the goaltending won’t have to be as improved as some think. To be out of the bottom 10, the goalies only have to make something like 25 more saves than last year (I did the math a few weeks ago so I may be wrong on the 25, but I think it’s close.)

With an improved defensive group, a new coach, and a team that works harder and is harder to play against, it may not take THAT much improvement from the goalies. Granted, this is all just on paper right now and the goalies can’t let shots in from center ice, but there is some potential for the team to be more goaltending friendly.


Canes goalies make 25 more saves than last year...

... Canes skaters give up 50 more shots than last year.




Jack Hughes ladies and gentlemen!
 

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I’m not remotely saying Svech will bust. Just saying for his first year I’m not putting numbers I need to see to be satisfied.

That’s totally different than saying he’s a bust. I don’t think he’ll bust at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zadina outsnipes him but I think Svech should be the better all around forward.
I wasn't referring to you saying he's going tot be a bust You're a bit conservative in projections on Svech for my liking, but I don't consider that pessimism or saying he will bust.
 

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If the Canes gave up 50 more shots than last year, and the goalies made 25 more saves than last year, it means we give up 25 more goals than last year, no? Or are you just screwing with me?

Canes save % was close to .9 last year. So if they give up 50 more shots, then they allow 5 more goals on those 50 shots, not 50 goals.
 

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Canes save % was close to .9 last year. So if they give up 50 more shots, then they allow 5 more goals on those 50 shots, not 50 goals.

You said we just need 25 more saves than last year.

And the joke that I made was “sure, we’ll make 25 more saves, but we will give up 50 more shots.”

The joke being that our goaltending would be worse than last year even though we made 25 more saves.
 

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Our top 6 is a complete joke. Successful teams have a great 1-2 center combo and most of the time both are 1cs. We do not have a 1C and have maybe a 2C in Staal. Couple that with questionable goal tending and yikes.
 

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