Obscure hockey facts/stats

[alko]

What do Mario, Howe, Messier, Ovechkin, Coffey and Bourque have in common?

Neither scored a playoff overtime goal. Crazy huh?

I don't know if there is a less likely player in NHL history than the ones I mentioned, but if there is, let me know.

Nice, but it was already mentioned here. And guess who posted it?

I'll go further. Howe, Mario, Messier and Ovechkin have a big old goose egg when it comes to playoff overtime goals. No kidding. Yet all are considered warriors in the postseason (Ovechkin probably considered 4th on that list).

Ovechkin has 39 playoff OT-games on his belt (most ever by a forward without a goal) and Messier had 37 OT-games (was tied for record holder with Denis Savard for playoff OT-games amongst forwards without a goal before Ovechkin passed them).

Howe has 20 playoff OT-games and Lemieux 11 OT-games. With Lemieux he only played in 10 of those overtimes as he was famously ejected in regulation from the game against Capitals that went into 4th OT period. 3 of his 11 OT-games came in 2001 against the Sabres.

 

[Big Phil]

Nice, but it was already mentioned here. And guess who posted it?

Well there you go. I got reminded watching the Caps yesterday when they went into overtime.

 

[GJB]

Well there you go. I got reminded watching the Caps yesterday when they went into overtime.

What I found interesting was that Backstrom has 4 playoff OT winners while only having 36 playoff goals to Ovie's 70. Pretty clutch scoring.

 

[frisco]

Crosby and Malkin both finished in the Top 10 in scoring just twice in the same year.

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[Big Phil]

What I found interesting was that Backstrom has 4 playoff OT winners while only having 36 playoff goals to Ovie's 70. Pretty clutch scoring.

Yeah, funny how that works with overtime. Because we would all agree Mario, Messier and Howe were clutch playoff performers. To an extent Ovechkin has had his moments, although not like the other three, but he still is one of those guys you would assume has an overtime goal to his credit.

Then again, Crosby and Malkin only have one each as well. While Chris Drury has more combined than anyone I just mentioned with 4.

 

[The Panther]

In the bizarre 1993 first-round series between L.A. and Calgary -- which went six games, and was won by L.A. -- the Flames had six players who went a point-per-game or better. And they lost. Those six players collectively went -22, despite scoring 16 goals in the series. Gary Suter scored five points in the series, and went -9.

(Not helping this was Flames' goaltenders Mike Vernon and Jeff Reese's shared .814.)

 

[Big Phil]

Hard to imagine now, but in 1964 the Leafs and Habs had won the exact same amount of Cups (12).

By 1967 it was still just Montreal (14) and Toronto (13).

 

[Kahvi]

Yeah, funny how that works with overtime. Because we would all agree Mario, Messier and Howe were clutch playoff performers. To an extent Ovechkin has had his moments, although not like the other three, but he still is one of those guys you would assume has an overtime goal to his credit.

Then again, Crosby and Malkin only have one each as well. While Chris Drury has more combined than anyone I just mentioned with 4.

I guess you could make an argument that clutch playoff performers dont need to go to overtime, they get it done within 60minutes.

Would be interesting to see how many OT games these players played compared to some others who have a lot of OT goals.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

@Albatros brought up this curiosity in another thread:

2020-21 SHL regular season top 4:
1. Växjö
2. Rögle
3. Leksand
…
6. Örebro

Hockeyallsvenskan (the Swedish 2nd tier league) ten years ago, 2010-11:
1. Växjö
2. Rögle
3. Örebro
4. Leksand

After fans have fought for years against the SHL working towards closing the league and inhibiting promotion/relegation, it’s so awesome not only that the SHL failed, but also that teams have proven that they can transition from Hockeyallsvenskan and achieve success in the SHL over time.

 

[Kahvi]

@Albatros brought up this curiosity in another thread:

2020-21 SHL regular season top 4:
1. Växjö
2. Rögle
3. Leksand
…
6. Örebro

Hockeyallsvenskan (the Swedish 2nd tier league) ten years ago, 2010-11:
1. Växjö
2. Rögle
3. Örebro
4. Leksand

After fans have fought for years against the SHL working towards closing the league and inhibiting promotion/relegation, it’s so awesome not only that the SHL failed, but also that teams have proven that they can transition from Hockeyallsvenskan and achieve success in the SHL over time.

I absolutely think that NHL shouldnt and couldnt even think about adding relegation / promotion, but where it has been part of the structure I really works. One of my favourite things in all sports is the English football pyramid English football league system - Wikipedia

 

[The Panther]

Hard to imagine now, but in 1964 the Leafs and Habs had won the exact same amount of Cups (12).

By 1967 it was still just Montreal (14) and Toronto (13).

In other words, the Leafs have won zilch since...

 

[The Panther]

Since 1993-94, the most even strength goals in one season by any player is...


48 -- Steven Stamkos, 2011-12

Since that season, the most even strength goals in one season by any player is...

37 -- John Tavares, 2018-19

 

[The Panther]

(I've mentioned it before somewhere, but it needs new life):

In a five-game playoff series in 1983, Flames' defenceman Paul Reinhart scored 6 goals in 5 games. And went -14.

 

[Big Phil]

Since 1993-94, the most even strength goals in one season by any player is...


48 -- Steven Stamkos, 2011-12

Since that season, the most even strength goals in one season by any player is...

37 -- John Tavares, 2018-19

(I've mentioned it before somewhere, but it needs new life):

In a five-game playoff series in 1983, Flames' defenceman Paul Reinhart scored 6 goals in 5 games. And went -14.

I fell backwards on my chair after reading both of those. Stamkos I can see, he is the last 60 goal guy, so that makes sense. But Tavares in 2019 surprised me. No one in almost 10 years has cracked at least 37 even strength goals?

That other thing about Reinhart is just insane. The Oilers scored 35 goals against the Flames in that 5 game series, which is utterly insane. But even still, he was by far the worst Flame in regards to that stat.

 

[frisco]

Bernie Nicholls has the most career playoff points (114) for a player that has never played in the Stanley Cup Finals.

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[The Panther]

Bernie Nicholls has the most career playoff points (114) for a player that has never played in the Stanley Cup Finals.

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That's a great trivia question! I think the person I would have thought of first is Denis Savard... but he dressed for game one of the Finals in 1993 (did he play much in that game? I forget). Otherwise, it would be him. And Nicholls was one game seven OT goal away from making the Finals in '94....

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Does anyone know the record for the highest plus/minus rating for a player on a non-playoff team?

Ziggy Palffy was +22 on the 2003 LA Kings. Surely there must be someone with a better plus/minus though?

 

[K Fleur]

Does anyone know the record for the highest plus/minus rating for a player on a non-playoff team?

Ziggy Palffy was +22 on the 2003 LA Kings. Surely there must be someone with a better plus/minus though?

Lowell Macdonald went +36 on the 72-73 Penguins

Duncan Keith was +30 on the 07-08 Blackhawks

Jere Lehtinen was +27 on the 01-02 Stars

Tyler Toffoli was +25 on the 14-15 Kings.

 

[The Panther]

Gary Roberts was +32 on the 1991-92 Flames.

 

[crobro]

That's a great trivia question! I think the person I would have thought of first is Denis Savard... but he dressed for game one of the Finals in 1993 (did he play much in that game? I forget). Otherwise, it would be him. And Nicholls was one game seven OT goal away from making the Finals in '94....

Not Peter Stastny?

 

[frisco]

Gary Roberts was +32 on the 1991-92 Flames.

Panarin was +36 on the Rangers last year (lost qualify round--would not have made the playoffs under "regular" seeding).

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[decma]

Some other pretty good totals:
Backes +32 for StL in 2010-11
Lindros +28 (in only 61 games) for Phi in 1992-93
Folgino +25 for Buf in 1985-86

 

[reckoning]

Most career empty net goals

Wayne Gretzky 51
Marian Hossa 40
Alex Ovechkin 39
Mario Lemieux 38
Jarome Iginla 32


Most career empty net assists

Nicklas Backstrom 33
Blake Wheeler 32
Sidney Crosby 31
Ron Francis 31
Gretzky/Kopitar/Bergeron/Thornton 29


Most empty net assists without an empty goal

Scott Niedermayer 17
Jamie Macoun 13
Brooks Orpik 12
Bill Houlder 12

Most empty net goals without an empty net assist

Bill Guerin 14
Andre Svechnikov 10
Patrick Eaves 6

Notable players with no empty net goals

Larry Robinson
Rod Gilbert
Ralph Backstrom
Yvan Cournoyer
Steve Shutt

 

[kaiser matias]

Most career empty net goals

Wayne Gretzky 51
Marian Hossa 40
Alex Ovechkin 39
Mario Lemieux 38
Jarome Iginla 32


Most career empty net assists

Nicklas Backstrom 33
Blake Wheeler 32
Sidney Crosby 31
Ron Francis 31
Gretzky/Kopitar/Bergeron/Thornton 29


Most empty net assists without an empty goal

Scott Niedermayer 17
Jamie Macoun 13
Brooks Orpik 12
Bill Houlder 12

Most empty net goals without an empty net assist

Bill Guerin 14
Andre Svechnikov 10
Patrick Eaves 6

Notable players with no empty net goals

Larry Robinson
Rod Gilbert
Ralph Backstrom
Yvan Cournoyer
Steve Shutt

Surprised to not see Kurri up on the assist list there. You'd think between being Gretzky's linemate forever, and a solid defensive player, he would have had some chances to get some assists off Gretzky.

Also wild to see Svechnikov already at 10 empty net goals.

 

[Big Phil]

Not Peter Stastny?

Close..................105 points to Nicholls' 114.

Adam Oates leads with the most playoff points without winning a Cup at 156. That isn't too obscure though. Propp is close with 148. Then Joe Thornton with 134.

But here is the list of guys not making the Cup final:
Nicholls 114
Federko 101
Turgeon 97
Gartner 93
Sundin 82
Wilson 80
Ridley 78
Sittler 74
Clark 69

Now is that not a list of obscure names? 69 points is not a ton of playoff points, and yet that isn't even 10 players who never made the Cup final and it goes as far down to the ones getting 69 points. I guess it shows you that pretty much everyone makes the Cup final at least once.