Obscure hockey facts/stats

[alko]

All franchises with atleast ten 100-point player seasons:

34 Pittsburgh Penguins & Edmonton Oilers
24 Boston Bruins
23 Los Angeles Kings
21 Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
18 New York Islanders
13 St.Louis Blues
12 Chicago Blackhawks
11 Detroit Red Wings
10 Montreal Canadiens & Atlanta Flames/Calgary Flames

So Penguins and Oilers share the record by a fair margin to third place Bruins.

Since 1967 expansion:

Number of 50-goal player-seasons
16 - Edmonton Oilers (8 are Gretzky)
16 - Pittsburgh Penguins
14 - Washington Capitals (8 are Ovechkin)
14 - Los Angeles Kings
12 - New York Islanders (9 are Bossy)
12 - Philadelphia Flyers
11 - Boston Bruins
11 - Detroit Red Wings
10 - Montreal Canadiens

Number of 40-goal player-seasons
43 - Pittsburgh Penguins
37 - Philadelphia Flyers
34 - Edmonton Oilers
32 - Chicago Blackhawks
30 - Boston Bruins
30 - Los Angeles Kings
29 - New York Islanders
28 - Washington Capitals
26 - Detroit Red Wings
25 - Buffalo Sabres
25 - Calgary/Atlanta Flames
25 - Montreal Canadiens
24 - St.Louis Blues
23 - Toronto Maple Leafs
24 - Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
23 - New York Rangers

A little bid surprised by Montreal Canadiens. Was thinking about more seasons. And sure, Maple Leafs...

 

[The Panther]

I was surprised to see that Philly has had 37 player-seasons of 40 or more goals!

Honestly, I would have thought they'd be nearer the bottom than 2nd from the top. They have only four players who've ever had 50-goal seasons (Clarke and Lindros never did), and yet somehow they have 37 player-seasons of 40 or more.

Part of it, of course, is that Philly has had a lot of 40-goal seasons from non-Hall of Fame type of players. Not exactly forgettable players, but players who weren't necessarily known for big scoring all the time. These include:
Bill Flett
Bill Barber
Rick MacLeish
Darryl Sittler (easy to forget this one)
Brian Propp
Simon Gagner
Jeff Carter

 

[The Panther]

(Related to the above):

It remains bizarre how no Colorado Rocky / New Jersey Devil has had more goals in a season (48) than Brian Gionta, and no one has had more assists (60) than Scott Stevens.

The single-season point leaders look a bit more like you'd expect:
Elias
Muller
Parise
Hall

 

[The Panther]

In Vancouver Canucks' history, the top-6 point-scoring seasons, and 10 of the top 11, are by European players (!).

112 - H. Sedin
110 - Bure
107 - Mogilny
107 - Bure
104 - Naslund
104 - D. Sedin
97 - Bertuzzi
94 - H. Sedin
91 - Sundstrom
90 - Bure

Further, Tomas Gradin is in 13th and 15th place. So, 12 of the top 15 are by Europeans.

They should really change the team name to Vancouver Euros.

 

[The Panther]

In the decade 1980-81 through 1989-90, Wayne Gretzky alone (if you count 200-point seasons twice) had 14 one-hundred point seasons.

The Vancouver Canucks' franchise, and the Colorado/New Jersey franchise, had zero combined. In fact, only one player on each club once cracked 90 points (and barely, in the Canucks' case).

Toronto didn't have any 100-pointers either, but they did have six 90+ point scorers. Montreal had only one 100-point man that decade -- Mats Naslund in 1985-86.

If you discount 1989-90, Buffalo not only didn't have a single 100-point scorer in the 1980s, they didn't have a single player over 90 points (who was Perreault in 1984). But then Pierre Turgeon scored 106 in 1989-90.

Oddly, the 2nd or 3rd best team of the decade -- Philadelphia -- didn't have a single 100-point scorer that whole decade. But they did have nine 90+ point seasons, so about one player per year.

The NY Rangers had only one all decade -- Mike Rogers (!), with 103 points. Besides him, nobody cracked 90 points that entire decade. And it's not like the 80s' Rangers were known for their defense (as Philly was). How did they mess that up?

 

[Big Phil]

(Related to the above):

It remains bizarre how no Colorado Rocky / New Jersey Devil has had more goals in a season (48) than Brian Gionta, and no one has had more assists (60) than Scott Stevens.

The single-season point leaders look a bit more like you'd expect:
Elias
Muller
Parise
Hall

It is one of the most bizarre stats out there, Scott Stevens being the franchise leader in assists in a single season. Sure, this is Stevens about a season before he changed his game to be more of a stay at home type as he never had more than 31 points after this but still, a guy with a career high of 78 points is not someone who should be your franchise leader in an assists category. Not Elias or even a Hart winner in Taylor Hall could surpass 60 assists?

 

[Big Phil]

The 1969 Blackhawks were 2nd in the NHL in goals but last in their division.

 

[66871]

Matt Murray is the only player in NHL history to win the SC twice.

As a rookie.

Ken Morrow?

 

[The Panther]

A 40-point season for a player means about 1 point every 2 games.

I note that the...
- 1970-71 Bruins
- 1976-77 Canadiens
- 1977-78 Canadiens
- 1981-82 Islanders
...each had twelve players score 40 or more points! (1971 is the season Boston had 7 of the top-10 scorers in the NHL.)

The 1974-75 Canadiens, 1977-78 Bruins, the 1980-81 Canadiens, the 1981-82 Oilers, the 1982-83 Canadiens, the 1983-84 Islanders, the 1987-88 Flames, and the 1992-93 Red Wings each had 11 players with 40-or-more points.

Did any club ever have more than 12? And are there any others with 11 or 12?

 

[frisco]

A 40-point season for a player means about 1 point every 2 games.

I note that the...
- 1970-71 Bruins
- 1976-77 Canadiens
- 1977-78 Canadiens
- 1981-82 Islanders
...each had twelve players score 40 or more points! (1971 is the season Boston had 7 of the top-10 scorers in the NHL.)

The 1974-75 Canadiens, 1977-78 Bruins, the 1980-81 Canadiens, the 1981-82 Oilers, the 1982-83 Canadiens, the 1983-84 Islanders, the 1987-88 Flames, and the 1992-93 Red Wings each had 11 players with 40-or-more points.

Did any club ever have more than 12? And are there any others with 11 or 12?

74-75 Sabres had 11. Fred Stanfield had 33 with Buffalo after starting the season with 26 with Minnesota. He would have been 12. They also had 6 30-goal scores and 8 25-goal scorers.

My Best-Carey

 

[kaiser matias]

From the Ottawa expansion thread:

Only two first overall picks have played for a team that had a general manager who was also a first overall pick: Pierre Turgeon (Rejean Houle was his GM with the Canadiens for some time), and Steven Stamkos (whose first GM was Brian Lawton).

 

[The Pale King]

Much has been made of Luc Robitaille's late draft position and his subsequent triumphant, over-achieving career, so let's look at things from another perspective: Opening night of the 2003-04 season featured three players taken 171st overall in their respective draft years in the same game when Los Angeles played in Detroit. The Kings iced Luc Robitaille and Roman Cechmanek, while Pavel Datsyuk suited up for Detroit.

The match up took place two more times that season, and for connoisseurs of that particular draft position (like myself), it represented a Holy Grail in the Battle Royale of 171st overall picks. In fact:

-the three players represent 61% of the total games played by 171st overall picks and
-77% of the total goals scored by 171st overall picks
-78% of the total points scored by 171st overall picks

But on this particular night, October 9th 2003, Datsyuk had a goal and an assist in the victory, Cechmanek stopped 35 of 38 shots (.921), while Robitaille went pointless and picked up 2 PIM. Robitaille was the 3rd best, or worst, 171st overall pick that game.

Sitting idle while all this was happening, fellow 171st pick Brian Savage couldn't help but be envious, awaiting the season opener for his Phoenix Coyotes. So what did he do the next evening against the St. Louis Blues? He went out and s̶c̶o̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶n̶n̶e̶r̶ assisted on the overtime winner against the Blues.

Anyone got any other one-off matchups with a disproportionate percentage of total points from a particular draft position?

 

[kaiser matias]

Much has been made of Luc Robitaille's late draft position and his subsequent triumphant, over-achieving career, so let's look at things from another perspective: Opening night of the 2003-04 season featured three players taken 171st overall in their respective draft years in the same game when Los Angeles played in Detroit. The Kings iced Luc Robitaille and Roman Cechmanek, while Pavel Datsyuk suited up for Detroit.

The match up took place two more times that season, and for connoisseurs of that particular draft position (like myself), it represented a Holy Grail in the Battle Royale of 171st overall picks. In fact:

-the three players represent 61% of the total games played by 171st overall picks and
-77% of the total goals scored by 171st overall picks
-78% of the total points scored by 171st overall picks

But on this particular night, October 9th 2003, Datsyuk had a goal and an assist in the victory, Cechmanek stopped 35 of 38 shots (.921), while Robitaille went pointless and picked up 2 PIM. Robitaille was the 3rd best, or worst, 171st overall pick that game.

Sitting idle while all this was happening, fellow 171st pick Brian Savage couldn't help but be envious, awaiting the season opener for his Phoenix Coyotes. So what did he do the next evening against the St. Louis Blues? He went out and s̶c̶o̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶n̶n̶e̶r̶ assisted on the overtime winner against the Blues.

Anyone got any other one-off matchups with a disproportionate percentage of total points from a particular draft position?

Aside from those four players, was there anyone of note picked at 171st? Such a random spot for so many notable players, including two likely hall of famers.

 

[The Pale King]

Aside from those four players, was there anyone of note picked at 171st? Such a random spot for so many notable players, including two likely hall of famers.

Not really. Max Lebanc is probably the best of the rest of the bunch. Jamie Huscroft? Miroslav Ihnacak caught my eye but I was thinking of his brother Peter, a trailblazer who seemed to fly under the radar on some bad early 80s Leafs teams...

In short, no.

 

[The Panther]

Edmonton Oilers' scoring records are dominated by Wayne, of course, though I think many are aware that Glenn Anderson has the most 'game-winning goals' in Oilers' history. Anderson had 72 compared to Wayne's 61 (Andy did play two-and-change more seasons in Edmonton than Wayne, however.)

But one I wasn't aware of until today was Oilers' power-play goals. Ryan Smyth and Glenn Anderson each had 126 power-play goals for Edmonton, while Gretzky had 125. (Draisaitl has moved up to 7th, in a tie with Paul Coffey, and next season he will surely overtake Coffey and Craig Simpson to move into 6th place.)

Another surprising one for me is in the category of most games played for Edmonton. The top 4 are as you'd expect -- Lowe, Smyth, Messier, Anderson -- and then 5th place is... Shawn Horcoff.

 

[frisco]

But one I wasn't aware of until today was Oilers' power-play goals. Ryan Smyth and Glenn Anderson each had 126 power-play goals for Edmonton.

I remember Edmonton putting out Smyth for like a whole double minor PP in his last game to try to get him to break the record.

My Best-Carey

 

[The Panther]

In the bizarre 2012 Penguins - Flyers series, the Penguins had 8 players score a point-per-game or better, and the Flyers 5.

The Penguins were outscored and lost the series.

 

[The Panther]

Scott Stevens is the 12th-highest scoring defenceman in NHL history.

The top-20 highest scoring defencemen throw up pretty much the names you'd expect, but the 21-30 range includes:
Steve Duchesne
Mathieu Schneider
Dave Babych
Reed Larson
Kevin Hatcher


Here's another oddity (to me): Looking at defencemen's all time points-per-game (min. 160 games played), the top-12 is what I would expect (no surprises), and then 13th place is... Jeff Brown.

 

[hacksaw7]

Scott Stevens is the 12th-highest scoring defenceman in NHL history.

The top-20 highest scoring defencemen throw up pretty much the names you'd expect, but the 21-30 range includes:
Steve Duchesne
Mathieu Schneider
Dave Babych
Reed Larson
Kevin Hatcher


Here's another oddity (to me): Looking at defencemen's all time points-per-game (min. 160 games played), the top-12 is what I would expect (no surprises), and then 13th place is... Jeff Brown.

Stevens, even during his best offensive years with Washington he was never a skilled flashy guy who drew eyeballs like a Coffey or Leetch. He never had any signature offensive talents either (like a Macinnis slapshot) but he was a good passer, had a good accurate shot, was a powerful skater...just nothing to truly wow you offensively. Plus he played so many games, piling up 50-60 pts ever year. His was really a tale of two careers as well, many hockey fans grew up knowing him as a mostly defensive 20-30 pt guy who threw thunderous hits

Steve Duchesne is the guy who really gets forgotten, he was a very good all around defenseman. Though he bounced around lot during his career so he doesn't have a signature franchise that you can associate him with.

 

[hacksaw7]

Jeff Brown was another skilled nomad type. Played for 6 different franchises and retired young. Was only 30 or 31 but 584 pts in 747 games is pretty impressive. He wasn't as good defensively as some of those other guys though

 

[Hockey Outsider]

The Habs are going to the Stanley Cup finals with a negative regular season goal differential (-9 in 56 games). Does anyone have a list of teams that have done this?

The 1938 Blackhawks were -42 (in just 48 games)! The 1991 North Stars were -10. The 1968 Blues were -14.

 

[kaiser matias]

According to the main board, since 1980 inclusive the Finals has had at least one player who was a teammate of Jagr. Furthermore, with the exception of 1986, they have all been Cup winners:

1980: Brian Trottier
1981: Brian Trottier
1982: Brian Trottier
1983: Brian Trottier
1984: Mark Messier
1985: Mark Messier
1986: Joe Mullen
1987: Mark Messier
1988: Mark Messier
1989: Jiri Hrdina
1990: Mark Messier
1991: Mario Lemieux
1992: Mario Lemieux
1993: JJ Daigneault
1994: Mark Messier
1995: Tom Chorskie
1996: Scott Young
1997: Doug Brown
1998: Doug Brown
1999: Benoit Hogue
2000: Scott Gomez
2001: Chris Drury
2002: Brendan Shanahan
2003: Jay Pandolfo
2004: Pavel Kubina
2005: N/A
2006: Mark Recchi
2007: Shawn Thornton
2008: Andreas Lilja
2009: Petr Sykora
2010: Kris Versteeg
2011: Mark Recchi
2012: Willie Mitchell
2013: Michal Rozsival
2014: Willie Mitchell
2015: Kris Versteeg
2016: Matt Cullen
2017: Matt Cullen
2018: Alex Chiasson
2019: Brayden Schenn
2020: Braydon Coburn
2021: Brett Kulak

Edit: 2013 originally had Daniel Carcillo, even though he and Jagr never played. Replacing him is Michal Rozsival.

 

[mrhockey193195]

Ken Morrow?

Yeah, that one has come up in various forms in the past and isn't quite true. Jim Paek is another one who won twice as a rookie.

 

[The Panther]

According to the main board, since 1980 inclusive the Finals has had at least one player who was a teammate of Jagr. Furthermore, with the exception of 1986, they have all been Cup winners:

1980: Brian Trottier
1981: Brian Trottier
1982: Brian Trottier
1983: Brian Trottier
1984: Mark Messier
1985: Mark Messier
1986: Joe Mullen
1987: Mark Messier
1988: Mark Messier
1989: Jiri Hrdina
1990: Mark Messier
1991: Mario Lemieux
1992: Mario Lemieux
1993: JJ Daigneault
1994: Mark Messier
1995: Tom Chorskie
1996: Scott Young
1997: Doug Brown
1998: Doug Brown
1999: Benoit Hogue
2000: Scott Gomez
2001: Chris Drury
2002: Brendan Shanahan
2003: Jay Pandolfo
2004: Pavel Kubina
2005: N/A
2006: Mark Recchi
2007: Shawn Thornton
2008: Andreas Lilja
2009: Petr Sykora
2010: Kris Versteeg
2011: Mark Recchi
2012: Willie Mitchell
2013: Dan Carcillo
2014: Willie Mitchell
2015: Kris Versteeg
2016: Matt Cullen
2017: Matt Cullen
2018: Alex Chiasson
2019: Brayden Schenn
2020: Braydon Coburn
2021: Brett Kulak

Geez, that's pretty cool.

I note that Jagr was a teammate of 1986 Cup champ Petr Svoboda at the 1998 Olympics, but yeah, not in the NHL.

 

[kaiser matias]

Geez, that's pretty cool.

I note that Jagr was a teammate of 1986 Cup champ Petr Svoboda at the 1998 Olympics, but yeah, not in the NHL.

Yeah if you count that then Jagr's got every year, and seeing how many young guys he played with in his final years, he could still be going for some time.